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#5405157 - 11/07/14 11:40 AM Cleaning and Copper solvents
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Ok. Need some advice on which copper solvent to buy. While at it, I would like advice on your favorite (basic) powder / cleaning solvents, if they are not the same as the copper solvent.

So, all that to say, what is your favorite copper solvent and why? What is your favorite basic powder / cleaning solvent, and why?

Thanks.

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#5405177 - 11/07/14 11:48 AM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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Wipe out is my first choice...never have to use a brush it is all done via chemical. I will use the accelerator if I'm cleaning at the range but not if I'm cleaning out the house and have time to really let it soak.

BoreTech Eliminator is my 2nd choice...but it requires a brush.

I'm in the camp of you can really damage the accuracy of a barrel by cleaning so you need to be purposeful in cleaning. Especially around the crown.
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#5405180 - 11/07/14 11:49 AM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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Oh and the best thing is neither use ammonia so you can use them both in the house.
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#5405186 - 11/07/14 11:51 AM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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I use bore tech for copper and shooters choice or hoppes 9 for powder.
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#5405220 - 11/07/14 12:08 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: dee]
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Originally Posted By: dee
I use bore tech for copper and shooters choice or hoppes 9 for powder.



Likewise. BT Eliminator does a good job on metal fouling and works best with a little help from s nylon brush. I usually start out with Hoppe's No.9 to get the first load of carbon out,then go to work with BT. It won't etch the bore as Sweet's is said to do. When I'm satisfied with the metal fouling removal I go back through with several patches soaked in No.9 followed by a couple or three dry patches. I believe it leaves sufficient protection from corrosion.
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#5405402 - 11/07/14 01:23 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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For cleaning guns that started off clean, but has picked up some crud from target or game shooting, I just use Hoppes #9.

I run a wet patch through, wait 10-20 minutes and do it again. Then repeat as needed.

If there's lots of carbon coming out, I'll let the Hoppes soak for 10-20 minutes and then run a brush through one-way, one time. I unscrew it from the rod after it comes out of the muzzle. This does a great job of breaking up the carbon so that it comes out quickly.

All through this, I'm running a fairly tight patch through, soaked in Hoppes and waiting 10-20 minutes before doing it again.

After the patches quit showing carbon, I usually start seeing blue-green from the copper. When I quit seeing copper, the bore-scope always shows me a spanking clean bore.



If the gun is really crudded up and hasn't been cared for properly by a former owner, I attack these stubborn cases with Remington 40-X bore cleaner, following directions. - You vigorously shake up the 40-X, wrap a patch around a slightly undersized or old brush, coat it with the mildly abrasive 40-X, and give it a good scrub, back 'n forth ten times or so. Repeat as needed. The patch comes out dark gray, muddy looking. Then when I get a patch that doesn't look like it came out of a pig stye, I go to the Hoppe's #9 method outlined above to finish it up.

Works for me.



Edited by charlesb (11/07/14 01:30 PM)
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#5405453 - 11/07/14 01:47 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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That Rem 40x is some awesome stuff for taking one down to metal and polishing it up.

What are the horizontal lines in your borescope picture? What kind of barrel are we looking at too? I don't think I've ever seen one with such shallow lands. Interesting picture...clean no doubt!
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#5405669 - 11/07/14 03:39 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: Judd]
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Originally Posted By: Judd
That Rem 40x is some awesome stuff for taking one down to metal and polishing it up.

What are the horizontal lines in your borescope picture? What kind of barrel are we looking at too? I don't think I've ever seen one with such shallow lands. Interesting picture...clean no doubt!


It's a Savage model 25T chambered in .223... It's a tack-driver but with the bore-scope you see the button rifling chatter that is common to Savages.

The first time I saw this chatter was on a custom shop ordered Savage model 16 with a 24" magnum contour barrel in .243 Winchester. My heart sank through my stomach - but that gun turned out to be a tack-driver too. With Nosler 70 grain BT bullets, it would put five rounds into 1/2 inch at 100 yards with regularity.

Looks like corrugated iron roofing, doesn't it? - Or metallic snake skin, maybe.

I have come to believe that these barrels return excellent accuracy in part due to reduced bullet friction, and are self-truing to some extent as high spots would tend to wear down quickly during the break-in period.


Edited by charlesb (11/07/14 03:43 PM)
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#5405679 - 11/07/14 03:43 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: Judd]
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Originally Posted By: Judd
Wipe out is my first choice...never have to use a brush it is all done via chemical. I will use the accelerator if I'm cleaning at the range but not if I'm cleaning out the house and have time to really let it soak.

BoreTech Eliminator is my 2nd choice...but it requires a brush.

I'm in the camp of you can really damage the accuracy of a barrel by cleaning so you need to be purposeful in cleaning. Especially around the crown.


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#5405811 - 11/07/14 05:06 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: charlesb]
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Originally Posted By: charlesb
Originally Posted By: Judd
That Rem 40x is some awesome stuff for taking one down to metal and polishing it up.

What are the horizontal lines in your borescope picture? What kind of barrel are we looking at too? I don't think I've ever seen one with such shallow lands. Interesting picture...clean no doubt!


It's a Savage model 25T chambered in .223... It's a tack-driver but with the bore-scope you see the button rifling chatter that is common to Savages.

The first time I saw this chatter was on a custom shop ordered Savage model 16 with a 24" magnum contour barrel in .243 Winchester. My heart sank through my stomach - but that gun turned out to be a tack-driver too. With Nosler 70 grain BT bullets, it would put five rounds into 1/2 inch at 100 yards with regularity.

Looks like corrugated iron roofing, doesn't it? - Or metallic snake skin, maybe.

I have come to believe that these barrels return excellent accuracy in part due to reduced bullet friction, and are self-truing to some extent as high spots would tend to wear down quickly during the break-in period.


I almost said chatter because it reminds me of reamer chatter I have seen. I've never looked at a button barrel through a borscope so that would explain why I've not seen it before. It does look like iron roofing. Thanks for the education!

As I said before, one thing is for certain...she's clean grin
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#5406187 - 11/07/14 10:13 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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I had a Savage .223 that had the same type chatter and it also was amazingly accurate. I tried to clean fairly often to keep the copper from getting too bad.

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#5406205 - 11/07/14 10:29 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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I have used a lot of different bore cleaners over the years but I have found that Butch's Bore Shine handles both copper and carbon fouling the best. Best of all I don't seem to use as many patches as other cleaners and it does not smell nearly as bad as the others. It is now my go to cleaner.
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#5407517 - 11/08/14 07:53 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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Thanks all

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#5407528 - 11/08/14 07:59 PM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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+1 for Wipe-Out! I've been using it for 15+ years now. Fantastic stuff. Most recently (about a year or so ago) I picked up some "Patch-Out" which is basically just the Wipe-Out in a liquid vs. foam. I've had even better luck with the Patch-Out in terms of coating the bore when cleaning. IMHO it works even better than the foam.

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#5410363 - 11/10/14 10:04 AM Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents [Re: jdk1985]
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Thanks all. Going to try Bore Tech.

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