Forums46
Topics537,029
Posts9,719,581
Members86,989
|
Most Online25,604 Feb 12th, 2024
|
|
|
Cleaning and Copper solvents
#5405157
11/07/14 05:40 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,409
jdk1985
OP
THF Celebrity
|
OP
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,409 |
Ok. Need some advice on which copper solvent to buy. While at it, I would like advice on your favorite (basic) powder / cleaning solvents, if they are not the same as the copper solvent.
So, all that to say, what is your favorite copper solvent and why? What is your favorite basic powder / cleaning solvent, and why?
Thanks.
Instagram @justinkingwoodworking
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5405177
11/07/14 05:48 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,165
Judd
#1 Creedmoor Fan
|
#1 Creedmoor Fan
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,165 |
Wipe out is my first choice...never have to use a brush it is all done via chemical. I will use the accelerator if I'm cleaning at the range but not if I'm cleaning out the house and have time to really let it soak.
BoreTech Eliminator is my 2nd choice...but it requires a brush.
I'm in the camp of you can really damage the accuracy of a barrel by cleaning so you need to be purposeful in cleaning. Especially around the crown.
Don't let your ears hear what your eyes didn't see, and don't let your mouth say what your heart doesn't feel
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5405180
11/07/14 05:49 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,165
Judd
#1 Creedmoor Fan
|
#1 Creedmoor Fan
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,165 |
Oh and the best thing is neither use ammonia so you can use them both in the house.
Don't let your ears hear what your eyes didn't see, and don't let your mouth say what your heart doesn't feel
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5405186
11/07/14 05:51 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219
dee
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,219 |
I use bore tech for copper and shooters choice or hoppes 9 for powder.
"A vote is like a rifle; it's usefulness depends on the character of the user" Theodore Roosevelt
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: dee]
#5405220
11/07/14 06:08 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 9,502
RiverRider
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 9,502 |
I use bore tech for copper and shooters choice or hoppes 9 for powder. Likewise. BT Eliminator does a good job on metal fouling and works best with a little help from s nylon brush. I usually start out with Hoppe's No.9 to get the first load of carbon out,then go to work with BT. It won't etch the bore as Sweet's is said to do. When I'm satisfied with the metal fouling removal I go back through with several patches soaked in No.9 followed by a couple or three dry patches. I believe it leaves sufficient protection from corrosion.
"Arguing with you always makes me thirsty." -Augustus McRae
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5405402
11/07/14 07:23 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,499
charlesb
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,499 |
For cleaning guns that started off clean, but has picked up some crud from target or game shooting, I just use Hoppes #9. I run a wet patch through, wait 10-20 minutes and do it again. Then repeat as needed. If there's lots of carbon coming out, I'll let the Hoppes soak for 10-20 minutes and then run a brush through one-way, one time. I unscrew it from the rod after it comes out of the muzzle. This does a great job of breaking up the carbon so that it comes out quickly. All through this, I'm running a fairly tight patch through, soaked in Hoppes and waiting 10-20 minutes before doing it again. After the patches quit showing carbon, I usually start seeing blue-green from the copper. When I quit seeing copper, the bore-scope always shows me a spanking clean bore. If the gun is really crudded up and hasn't been cared for properly by a former owner, I attack these stubborn cases with Remington 40-X bore cleaner, following directions. - You vigorously shake up the 40-X, wrap a patch around a slightly undersized or old brush, coat it with the mildly abrasive 40-X, and give it a good scrub, back 'n forth ten times or so. Repeat as needed. The patch comes out dark gray, muddy looking. Then when I get a patch that doesn't look like it came out of a pig stye, I go to the Hoppe's #9 method outlined above to finish it up. Works for me.
Last edited by charlesb; 11/07/14 07:30 PM.
Kind regards, charlesb
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5405453
11/07/14 07:47 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,165
Judd
#1 Creedmoor Fan
|
#1 Creedmoor Fan
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,165 |
That Rem 40x is some awesome stuff for taking one down to metal and polishing it up.
What are the horizontal lines in your borescope picture? What kind of barrel are we looking at too? I don't think I've ever seen one with such shallow lands. Interesting picture...clean no doubt!
Don't let your ears hear what your eyes didn't see, and don't let your mouth say what your heart doesn't feel
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: Judd]
#5405669
11/07/14 09:39 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,499
charlesb
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,499 |
That Rem 40x is some awesome stuff for taking one down to metal and polishing it up.
What are the horizontal lines in your borescope picture? What kind of barrel are we looking at too? I don't think I've ever seen one with such shallow lands. Interesting picture...clean no doubt! It's a Savage model 25T chambered in .223... It's a tack-driver but with the bore-scope you see the button rifling chatter that is common to Savages. The first time I saw this chatter was on a custom shop ordered Savage model 16 with a 24" magnum contour barrel in .243 Winchester. My heart sank through my stomach - but that gun turned out to be a tack-driver too. With Nosler 70 grain BT bullets, it would put five rounds into 1/2 inch at 100 yards with regularity. Looks like corrugated iron roofing, doesn't it? - Or metallic snake skin, maybe. I have come to believe that these barrels return excellent accuracy in part due to reduced bullet friction, and are self-truing to some extent as high spots would tend to wear down quickly during the break-in period.
Last edited by charlesb; 11/07/14 09:43 PM.
Kind regards, charlesb
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: Judd]
#5405679
11/07/14 09:43 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 33,799
Buzzsaw
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 33,799 |
Wipe out is my first choice...never have to use a brush it is all done via chemical. I will use the accelerator if I'm cleaning at the range but not if I'm cleaning out the house and have time to really let it soak.
BoreTech Eliminator is my 2nd choice...but it requires a brush.
I'm in the camp of you can really damage the accuracy of a barrel by cleaning so you need to be purposeful in cleaning. Especially around the crown. Mee TOO
SPACE FOR RENT
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: charlesb]
#5405811
11/07/14 11:06 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,165
Judd
#1 Creedmoor Fan
|
#1 Creedmoor Fan
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,165 |
That Rem 40x is some awesome stuff for taking one down to metal and polishing it up.
What are the horizontal lines in your borescope picture? What kind of barrel are we looking at too? I don't think I've ever seen one with such shallow lands. Interesting picture...clean no doubt! It's a Savage model 25T chambered in .223... It's a tack-driver but with the bore-scope you see the button rifling chatter that is common to Savages. The first time I saw this chatter was on a custom shop ordered Savage model 16 with a 24" magnum contour barrel in .243 Winchester. My heart sank through my stomach - but that gun turned out to be a tack-driver too. With Nosler 70 grain BT bullets, it would put five rounds into 1/2 inch at 100 yards with regularity. Looks like corrugated iron roofing, doesn't it? - Or metallic snake skin, maybe. I have come to believe that these barrels return excellent accuracy in part due to reduced bullet friction, and are self-truing to some extent as high spots would tend to wear down quickly during the break-in period. I almost said chatter because it reminds me of reamer chatter I have seen. I've never looked at a button barrel through a borscope so that would explain why I've not seen it before. It does look like iron roofing. Thanks for the education! As I said before, one thing is for certain...she's clean
Don't let your ears hear what your eyes didn't see, and don't let your mouth say what your heart doesn't feel
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5406187
11/08/14 04:13 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,624
DStroud
Extreme Tracker
|
Extreme Tracker
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,624 |
I had a Savage .223 that had the same type chatter and it also was amazingly accurate. I tried to clean fairly often to keep the copper from getting too bad.
"Anyone taking up handloading necessarily plays with unknown factors and takes chances. But so does anyone who drives a car,goes to a cocktail party,eats in a restaurant,or gets married."
Jack O'Connor 1963
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5406205
11/08/14 04:29 AM
|
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 2,272
Geezer Ranger
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 2,272 |
I have used a lot of different bore cleaners over the years but I have found that Butch's Bore Shine handles both copper and carbon fouling the best. Best of all I don't seem to use as many patches as other cleaners and it does not smell nearly as bad as the others. It is now my go to cleaner.
I am allergic to stupidity. You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts someone.
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5407517
11/09/14 01:53 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,409
jdk1985
OP
THF Celebrity
|
OP
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,409 |
Instagram @justinkingwoodworking
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5407528
11/09/14 01:59 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 447
Strongbad
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 447 |
+1 for Wipe-Out! I've been using it for 15+ years now. Fantastic stuff. Most recently (about a year or so ago) I picked up some "Patch-Out" which is basically just the Wipe-Out in a liquid vs. foam. I've had even better luck with the Patch-Out in terms of coating the bore when cleaning. IMHO it works even better than the foam.
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5410363
11/10/14 04:04 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,409
jdk1985
OP
THF Celebrity
|
OP
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,409 |
Thanks all. Going to try Bore Tech.
Instagram @justinkingwoodworking
|
|
|
Re: Cleaning and Copper solvents
[Re: jdk1985]
#5410364
11/10/14 04:04 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,409
jdk1985
OP
THF Celebrity
|
OP
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,409 |
Hoppe's simply wouldn't cut it
Instagram @justinkingwoodworking
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|