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Bipod or bags for longer range shooting? #5405055 11/07/14 04:57 PM
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Saw a show about a year ago, shooter commented that using a bipod vs. bags probably
hurt his groups a bit, (was shooting 100 yards), could this be correct?

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Re: Bipod or bags for longer range shooting? [Re: P_102] #5405076 11/07/14 05:05 PM
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It doesn't if you use it properly.


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I've got a similar question. I'm trying to decide whether to attach a bipod for my Barbary hunt or simply use my pack as a rest. I also have stoney point shooting sticks I might just carry but I don't know if I'd feel comfortable shooting past 300 on the shooting sticks. Not trying to hijack the thread btw.

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I will use both and don't really don't see a difference. The bag I use at the rear of the weapon helps me a bunch. When I am having a good day on the trigger either way is good for me.

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Bipods can hurt accuracy if poor form is used or if the stock on the rifle has a lot of flex and allows the stock to contact the barrel. The best thing to do is shoot your different options and decide what is best for you and your combo.


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I had never shot off a bipod before till last year. I like it a lot! with a rear bag is especially nice.

I thought my savage didn't group well with a bipod, but it ended up being the ammo. So I will have to give it a try again.


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I shoot a little more consistent off bags than with a bipod. I have no idea why, but it is probably an error in my form and not the bipod's fault...

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bipod with a bag in the rear can be very effective with practice


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I would say form is more the question. Use anything correctly and it should change much. Use it wrong and anything is possible

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Originally Posted By: dee
Bipods can hurt accuracy if poor form is used or if the stock on the rifle has a lot of flex and allows the stock to contact the barrel.


Yes.

A bipod properly used will allow you to manage recoil better. With the front and rear of the rifle bagged you will get all of the reoil. With proper form, straight behind the rifle, and preloading the bipod the shooter is less affected by recoil.

I was asked to shoot several firemen's rifles when they came out pre-elk hunt. They did lots of shooting from a large front bag and were getting recoil flinches and telling me they were getting beat up. When I got behind their rifle I attached my Harris to the front, double checked barrel channel clearance and checked their zeros. I turned in tighter shots and had no complaints of recoil from a 300 WSM, a 300 Win Mag, and a 7 Rem Mag.


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Fireman, is "preloading" putting forward or rearward pressure on the bipod? I would think if it
is helping to reduce recoil it must be rearward...???

Thanks.

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Forward pressure is preloaded.


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
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Bipods can hurt accuracy if poor form is used or if the stock on the rifle has a lot of flex and allows the stock to contact the barrel.


Yes.

A bipod properly used will allow you to manage recoil better. With the front and rear of the rifle bagged you will get all of the reoil. With proper form, straight behind the rifle, and preloading the bipod the shooter is less affected by recoil.

I was asked to shoot several firemen's rifles when they came out pre-elk hunt. They did lots of shooting from a large front bag and were getting recoil flinches and telling me they were getting beat up. When I got behind their rifle I attached my Harris to the front, double checked barrel channel clearance and checked their zeros. I turned in tighter shots and had no complaints of recoil from a 300 WSM, a 300 Win Mag, and a 7 Rem Mag.


I just ordered my first Harris 5 minutes ago. 6" to 9" with notched legs that swivels, hoping it will be better than the one I bought from Academy that kept falling off on me in the field. grin

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i just use my pack to shoot off of, i've pretty much done away with all my bipods for hunting


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SB...you can't go wrong with a Harris probably the best bipod on the market when you factor in the cost of the higher end ones.


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Thanks, that's what I've heard.

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Originally Posted By: Judd
SB...you can't go wrong with a Harris probably the best bipod on the market when you factor in the cost of the higher end ones.
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i just use my pack to shoot off of, i've pretty much done away with all my bipods for hunting


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Should you always preload a bipod? I have a Caldwell it isn't fancy or expensive but it has worked well for me. I never preloaded it, I assume that equates to leaning into it a little?


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Originally Posted By: P_102
Fireman, is "preloading" putting forward or rearward pressure on the bipod? I would think if it
is helping to reduce recoil it must be rearward...???

Thanks.


Forward pressure. On my shooting platform I have a piece of angle iron screwed down just for bipods. When I'm teaching I have guys point their rifle at their target. Stand behind it 4 feet or so, go to the knees, to prone, shoulder the rifle. "Feel ok?" Good, now scoot yourself forward with your toes another inch or two. You're trying to counteract recoil which is rearward motion, so flex the legs a bit by pushing the rifle into the bipod. That is loading. (Maybe I'm telling too much smile )




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A Harris bipod worked pretty well on my last elk hunt. At 495 yards I brought down a big cow elk from this position using the pictured rifle chambered in 7mm Rem. Mag.




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you can't always preload especially while hunting but if you can you'll be much better off.

preloading a Caldwell.... I wouldn't push too hard.....

The big Harris is my favorite hunting bipod...

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Im not a physics major or a pro long range shooter, I just don't understand how fushing forward on your bipod will reduce recoil, if anything your pushing harder against it when the gun fires. Possibly some people just don't keep it tight enough to their shoulder?


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You'e not reducing recoil, you're reducing the effect it has on your body, and therefore your sight picture. It is a factor of how some lf us see our own impacts as they happen.

When on the ground a better option is spikes. I don't have any yet, but will. I've always wallowed out a couple of holes with the bipod feet then when the forearm is too low I extend the legs oit a notch or two.


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I like a bag front or rear. This entire week I shot off a bag full of rolled up towels, it was light but have great support and created a "V" channel for the gun to rest in. Also used a rear bag. During the drills of shoot run shoot I did ditch the bags and go to the tripod and a fist for rear support, it wasn't ideal for me but during the drills I never shot the hostage. I'll use both, but if given the time and option I will use bags. Also, for tracking purposes a bipod with a frisbee under the legs works great

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If my position allows for it, I'll fold my bipods legs up and shoot off a bag. I always try to anchor the rear stock of the rifle in some form or fashion. Front and rear support of the rifle provides for the optimal shooting position. Your point of impact of your groups might shift somewhat from position to position but there shouldn't be any major changes in your group sizes as long as your stability is similar. I feel this shift in the groups is attributed to the very slight difference in how your are looking through your scope from position to position.


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