Are those folks still killing a buck

Irrelevant, any sane person would shoot the 150. Want to go that angle then put a 160" 3yo in front of someone and a 140" 7yo and see if that spirit of letting deer get older fades away. Old, big deer are not a new fad.

Irrelevant, any sane person would shoot the 150. Want to go that angle then put a 160" 3yo in front of someone and a 140" 7yo and see if that spirit of letting deer get older fades away. Old, big deer are not a new fad.

How long you had the lease

Yes, but they started using *.

I actually feel like a few not all but some posting against ARs are all about managing a deer herd and not wanting to shoot the first young buck that comes out... its more of they feel they have the right to shoot what they want.. I agree in the thought of this and would love to see everyone in the same boat. But the cold hard truth is you turn everyone loose and they will not have the same mindset as yall... they will just shoot the first thing that comes out just like some still shoot the first legal thing that comes out. Its not hard to see that some of yall against ARs are wanting to run your place right but the majority of hunters against it are not with you no matter how it seems.

10 yrs on lease. 4th yr with AR's. Im sure that this rule will give more more bucks time to mature and get wider racks. But with that being said, there are many more pizz poor bucks that are getting to infect does with thier crappy genes as well. We dont have the cull option as many do that are on forum. So these guys are taking what many consider a decent deer out of thier gene pool cuz they are not considered worthy. Many in AR counties would love to have that option but we dont.

RM I'm not buying the "cameras saved the big deer" theory. There were some big east TX deer killed before ARs-but most of them were in the years just after the seasons opened. A biggun would pop up now and again, sure. But I had a pretty good handle on what guys were killing (we even had cameras back then and the east TX "internet" was pretty broad and fast) and we have been living in the best days ever overall in the last 5 years. By far...

Sad but true. I just think hunters as a whole are much more management minded today than they were 20 years ago regardless of whether or not there are antler regulations. The promotion of healthy herd management is everywhere these days compared to what it was like 20 years ago. There just really aren't that many hunters out there any more that just shoot deer indiscriminantly to fill a tag.

I am of the belief that you can much more effectively manage a deer herd if you are allowed to shoot what you want/need to manage the deer herd. Sometimes this might mean culling out a few 12" deer, sometimes this might mean letting a few of the older bucks walk, and vice versa. Having a blanket regulation eliminating an entire portion of the deer population from being able to be harvested in my mind restricts what could be more effective herd management. This makes the herd dynamic run in cycles where you will have a large portion of the buck population in the 1-3 yr old age class (resricted from harvest), and a smaller portion in the 3-6 yr age class until such time as those 1-3 yr old deer mature and then the cycle reverses. Then you have a bunch of old deer and a few young deer. If hunters we able to harvest as they needed, this cycle could be balanced more effectively.

Have you added a * beside you and the wife's "trophy bucks" you had mounted and on your walls?

My wife doesn't have a WT mounted since AR, hers are from prior. Mine are wall decorations that beat anything else except Carter portraits. I can assure you that more have died of old age that I've opted not to shoot than are mounted on the wall. I would also have more pre-AR than post mounted.

My wife doesn't have a WT mounted since AR, hers are from prior. Mine are wall decorations that beat anything else except Carter portraits. I can assure you that more have died of old age that I've opted not to shoot than are mounted on the wall. I would also have more pre-AR than post mounted.

I don't understand greed, jealousy by who, please explain?

If the voting goes by residents of the county bring it on. Actually wouldn't be a bad idea.

Why do we see all these "age this buck" threads now? Every day there is at least one. Why don't they just post up "Is it legal" threads?

NP, you contradict yourself. First you say that the law was passed because everybody was shooting every deer they saw. Then in the same dang thread you say that most folks pass on shooting spikes even though they are legal. Do you not see the contradiction in your own statements?

As far as 90% of hunters being in favor, that's about the most laughable thing I think I've ever read. Maybe the majority of people on this internet forum are for them but I can pretty much guarantee you if it went to a vote it would fail miserably. I even posted a thread about it a while back proposing a vote at the time of purchasing a license and even the Pro AR guys posted saying they don't want to see that because they know it would fail. I can think of around 30 friends/family that are avid hunters. Of those 30 or so people exactly 1 of them are on the internet...ME. Also out of those 30 people maybe 2-3 of them would vote in favor of that ridiculous restriction. Obviously you will not change your mind and I will not change mine but at least pull your head out of the sand and be willing see what's REALLY happening vs what you WANT to happen.

Greed, jealousy, and ignorance of how to manage a deer herd were the driving force behind the restrictions.

That's exactly what I would like to happen. If you live in a AR County you would be able to vote when you purchase your license. A very simple "for" or "against" at the time of purchase is all it would take.

Read slowly. People used to shoot a lot of spikes. People don't shoot as many spikes anymore because they don't have to-thanks to ARs. Studies prove it. No contradiction.

You would be disappointed.