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#5400367 - 11/05/14 10:48 AM Scoring deer on the hoof
Jkd106 Offline
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Registered: 08/20/13
Posts: 896
Loc: Fannin and Hall
I thought it would be educational, to see how others score quickly on the fly. I am always wanting to learn and better myself in this great sport. I will tell you how I do it, I'm sure there are better ways.
Take a typical 10 point
I look at g2,g3,g4 quick add let say 8,7,5 =20
Add g1 say 4" = 24
Look at MB if it's straight not abnormally long give it 18"
Long curl in give it 20"
Almost touch in middle 22"
Let say we give this one 20"= 44"
Look at overall mass, this may be hardest for some but if you kinda know the type deer you been taking in the area helps
Let say h-1 is 4"
H-2 is usually close so I say 4"
Drop h3 to 3"
Drop h4 to 2"
Mass 13"+44"= 57"
If pretty symmetrical 57"x2 114"
Add width say 16" = 130"
+ any trash
This isn't as long as it seems, I can do this in about 30 seconds. The size of your deer can change the looks, but if you know your area this can be a quick guide.
Let's see How others do this?
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#5400388 - 11/05/14 10:54 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
Branden Offline
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Registered: 12/14/10
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Loc: Aledo, Tx
Ive just measured alot of deer in the 120's 130's 140's 150's 160' that just by looking at them for a second I can normally get -+5" in seconds with out adding those numbers in my head. That is the similar way I got started.

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#5400389 - 11/05/14 10:55 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
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I will use a frame score then add in tine length(use one side on all bucks then double it) for quick score. If it is a ranch I know the deer then I will use an average frame-85,90,95 or 100". If the average on bucks taken is 90" then that is what I start with. If the buck is wider or heavier or longer beamed then I might adjust it. Ranch I managed in the Hill Country we used 93" for mature trophy bucks since that was the average over a 3 yr period. The last ranch I managed we had to use 100" since the bucks had better beam length and more mass. I generally just say 90" then add in BT, the G2's and then G3's (G4's and NT's).
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#5400397 - 11/05/14 10:59 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
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The frame yal refer to includes beams spread and mass correct?

Never looked at our frame measurements singled out, gonna have to do that.


Edited by redchevy (11/05/14 11:00 AM)
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#5400406 - 11/05/14 11:03 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
Jkd106 Offline
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Stx like this ?
Frame = MB,mass,spread
+ g1,2,3,4 x2
= rough
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#5400431 - 11/05/14 11:11 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
stxranchman Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jkd106
Stx like this ?
Frame = MB,mass,spread
+ g1,2,3,4 x2
= rough

Yes.
If I think the buck has 4" G1's and 10" G2's and 7" G4's. I will say 90" then just say 98", 118" and 132" in a matter of seconds. You get a score as fast as you can look and add. If he is close to a shooter then I will take a few seconds longer to look at all the points and mass/spread/beams. It is not perfect but when in a bind it helps.
I also have scored 1000's of sheds and kills off of ranches I was on so that really helps build an average number for frame score. I also have a lot of mounts that I have killed for reference. I can look at a buck and say he looks a lot like this buck and will score what the buck scored.
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#5400437 - 11/05/14 11:13 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
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Natty Love

Registered: 09/22/11
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Loc: Normangee/Navasota TX
Look at the deer count the points and my brain somehow calculates the score off frame size/points...
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#5400451 - 11/05/14 11:16 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
stxranchman Offline
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I also might use a different mainframe guess on an 8pt vs a 10pt or 12pt typical. Some ranches a mature 8 point will only be 85-90 on frame where a typical 10 might be 90-95. What I have found on some ranches is that a narrow buck will usually have more mass than a really wide buck. Beam length will be pretty close on narrow vs wider bucks. A lot of the averages you will use will really depend on the location in the state and the management that has been in place.
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#5400459 - 11/05/14 11:18 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
Jkd106 Offline
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Thanks Stx, I like learning better , quicker ways. I usually know a shooter when I put my eyes on him, but I want to be pretty close when I pull the trigger.
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#5400464 - 11/05/14 11:20 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
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Natty Love

Registered: 09/22/11
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Loc: Normangee/Navasota TX
score as many deer as possible... anything even old ones just laying around no matter how big or small... step back take a guess then score it... more the better.
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#5400468 - 11/05/14 11:22 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
tShawnB Offline
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Registered: 09/19/12
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Loc: Rolling Plains
After years of doing it, I am usually within a few inches with the exception of perhaps some non typicals; however so far on them, I have been on the lighter side, which is always a good surprise after the scores are calculated. Generally where I hunt, the bigger mature WT aren't hanging around long enough to break out the calculator or pencil and paper, so you have to age, rough score and shoot in a relative short period of time. Game cameras have been a big help too in this area WHEN you can get one of your big mature bucks to pose for a picture.
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#5400477 - 11/05/14 11:25 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
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I give them the frame score then just eye ball points. I take into account the area, age, and range conditions before I throw out frame.

For example good mature bucks from say San Marcos area, I'll give 80" frame. Panhandle good mature bucks I'll start with 90"+ frame, just due to body size and history of the 2 different herds.

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#5400486 - 11/05/14 11:27 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Navasot]
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Originally Posted By: Navasot
score as many deer as possible... anything even old ones just laying around no matter how big or small... step back take a guess then score it... more the better.


And this. After a while just one look will get you in the ball park, then work out details.

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#5400490 - 11/05/14 11:27 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
stxranchman Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jkd106
Thanks Stx, I like learning better , quicker ways. I usually know a shooter when I put my eyes on him, but I want to be pretty close when I pull the trigger.

I always try to score low. My usual guesses are 6" low on bucks and rarely am I over on them. Makes for no ground shrinkage which is much better. If I take my time and score through a spotting scope or binos I can get much closer. Bucks that are the most difficult for me are the larger bodied mature bucks with really heavy mass. I can miss a buck really low with that combo. Mass just hides everything on score.
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#5400519 - 11/05/14 11:39 AM Re: Scoring deer on the hoof [Re: Jkd106]
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I go with stx method. Generally start out with about 90 frame inches, adjust from there, and then add tine length in. If you have a history on a certain place or area you can get it nailed down pretty close.

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