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#5396435 - 11/03/14 01:37 PM Long range shooting trophy deer
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There has been a trend in recent years of guys who are into long range shooting. I am not into it but certainly do have not problem with anyone who enjoys it.

I am curious though what the thoughts are on using the practice in hunting - especially on a ranch that is highly managed with trophy deer. I can maybe see someone trying it on culls or a doe but not on a trophy deer. To me there is too much room for error to take the chance of shooting a deer at 300 plus yards no matter how good the shooter is. I am old school but open to thoughts.
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#5396465 - 11/03/14 01:52 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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I personally wouldn't but I have a great friend from the military who spent 5 tours as a sniper who has taken trophy deer at 600yards . I really don't think 90% of us should even think about it but there are a few out there that make it look easy. also define "long range" to some that may mean 200yards others its 400

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#5396478 - 11/03/14 01:58 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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I have shot doe at 400 + but don't know of I would at a good buck
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#5396491 - 11/03/14 02:04 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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Even if you're capable of making shots at 600 yards, you're going to have a hard time field judging deer at that range no matter how good your optics are. Would be does turn out to be nubbin bucks. Would be monster bucks turn out to be not so monsterish.

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#5396492 - 11/03/14 02:04 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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I don't see the difference between a trophy and a doe or cull. Maybe if you would have said hogs I would agree. I shot a spike buck at 100 yards this weekend and my concern for quickly and cleanly killing that deer is not different than it was for the typical 12 I shot in the same manner a few years ago which was my "trophy of a lifetime"
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#5396573 - 11/03/14 02:29 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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I think whitetail are too jumpy and twitchy to take 600 yard shots on.
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#5396591 - 11/03/14 02:35 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: Grosvenor]
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Originally Posted By: Grosvenor
Even if you're capable of making shots at 600 yards, you're going to have a hard time field judging deer at that range no matter how good your optics are. Would be does turn out to be nubbin bucks. Would be monster bucks turn out to be not so monsterish.


that is a good point - judging a deer at long distance is difficult at best -
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#5396597 - 11/03/14 02:36 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: Grosvenor]
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Originally Posted By: Grosvenor
Even if you're capable of making shots at 600 yards, you're going to have a hard time field judging deer at that range no matter how good your optics are. Would be does turn out to be nubbin bucks. Would be monster bucks turn out to be not so monsterish.


If you've got the equipment, ability, and experience to shoot that far, you most likely are either being guided by someone who knows what deer is at the other end of the shot, or you have your own cameras/pics/spotting scope/etc. and know which deer it is.

Personally, my current longest deer kill is 228 on a doe; I had a prone position, a solid rest, and plenty of bullet to do it. She ran about 40 yards and died from a perfect heart/lung shot. I did shoot a deer at 350+ that another hunter had wounded but I was trying to anchor him before he made it to the brush. I actually hit him and anchored him but it was a non-lethal shot.

With a good rest and a broadside shot I would not hesitate to test 300 on any deer, and would like to work up to 400.
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#5396611 - 11/03/14 02:40 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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300-ish is my self imposed limit

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#5396665 - 11/03/14 03:00 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: jdk1985]
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Most all "highly managed ranches" will have a policy that a wounded deer that escapes will cost you just the same as a harvested buck. I can tell you that in Alaska, Argentina, Africa, and elsewhere outfitters have the same rule. These policies almost always read that if blood, bone, or hair is found, the guides, ranch hands, cooks, and everyone else will search as long as you want for your animal, but your hunt is finished then and there. And you must pay the full fare for the animal just as if you brought it to bag. You may as well go ahead and punch your buck tag, put away Old Betsy, and switch over to your Nikon.

So, if you fancy yourself a LR shooter and you want to become a LR hunter, such a rule will keep the majority of us from sucking eggs, as it ethically should.
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#5396714 - 11/03/14 03:20 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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Shot by biggest buck ever at 408 yards. I am quite comfortable out to 600 yards and have spent plenty of range time at those distances.

Personally, I see no reason not to with today's rifles, ammo and scope combinations. It's downright silly to take to the field with some flat shooting caliber, custom rifle, 18x power scope and limit yourself to 150 or 200 yards. Just a get a 30-30 and be done with it.

If my buck of a lifetime shows at 300, 400 or even 500 yards I should be competent and capable of employing my firearm within it's capabilities. Personally, I have a self imposed limit of 500 yards. But I assure you, I worked up to that. Didn't happen overnight or because I bought a .270 and a nice scope.
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#5396726 - 11/03/14 03:26 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: LandPirate]
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Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Shot by biggest buck ever at 408 yards. I am quite comfortable out to 600 yards and have spent plenty of range time at those distances.

Personally, I see no reason not to with today's rifles, ammo and scope combinations. It's downright silly to take to the field with some flat shooting caliber, custom rifle, 18x power scope and limit yourself to 150 or 200 yards. Just a get a 30-30 and be done with it.

If my buck of a lifetime shows at 300, 400 or even 500 yards I should be competent and capable of employing my firearm within it's capabilities. Personally, I have a self imposed limit of 500 yards. But I assure you, I worked up to that. Didn't happen overnight or because I bought a .270 and a nice scope.


Agreed.
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#5396772 - 11/03/14 03:43 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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I hear this argument a lot in Australia and some of the responses make me laugh. Really, any legal way of taking a deer is fine.

I hear a lot of bush stalkers who rarely shoot over 150m and never past 250m saying how unethical it is to shoot a deer from long distances as it further than a deer's natural ability to detect them and that there's no challenge. To this I chuck on my archery hat and say well to us archers where is the challenge in pointing and clicking on any animal within 150m? and you want to talk about natural ability to detect, try getting within 20m of a deer and then have to slot an arrow through it.

I hunt with bow, blakcpowder and centrefire. I do everything from sitting in trees, to stalking to long range hunting and I love them all. I've shot deer from 35m with a bow (my closest bow shot is a fox at 2m) out to tahr at 600yds in NZ. Each has its own strong and weak points and each has its own allure and I love them all.

And for the long range stuff, you are right Grosvenor you wouldn't be able to field judge the distance correctly. That's why we use rangefinders, sorts that problem out no worries.
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#5396808 - 11/03/14 03:58 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: JPHunting]
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Originally Posted By: JPHunting
I hear this argument a lot in Australia and some of the responses make me laugh. Really, any legal way of taking a deer is fine.

I hear a lot of bush stalkers who rarely shoot over 150m and never past 250m saying how unethical it is to shoot a deer from long distances as it further than a deer's natural ability to detect them and that there's no challenge. To this I chuck on my archery hat and say well to us archers where is the challenge in pointing and clicking on any animal within 150m? and you want to talk about natural ability to detect, try getting within 20m of a deer and then have to slot an arrow through it.

I hunt with bow, blakcpowder and centrefire. I do everything from sitting in trees, to stalking to long range hunting and I love them all. I've shot deer from 35m with a bow (my closest bow shot is a fox at 2m) out to tahr at 600yds in NZ. Each has its own strong and weak points and each has its own allure and I love them all.

And for the long range stuff, you are right Grosvenor you wouldn't be able to field judge the distance correctly. That's why we use rangefinders, sorts that problem out no worries.


I'm not talking about field judging distance, but rather the animal itself. Killing a deer at 600 yards isn't the concern I was talking about, it's killing the right deer. That may not be important if you're just putting meat in the freezer, but if you're trying to judge antlers, age or even sex, that gets pretty difficult at long distances even with a top of the line spotting scope. I believe the OP even said he was particularly interested in our thoughts on long range shooting for trophy managed ranches. I've seen an expert marksman drop what he thought was a mature, trophy class buck at 500 yards only to walk up and realize he had shot a buck he had watched and passed weeks earlier because it was middle aged and undersized.

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#5396812 - 11/03/14 04:01 PM Re: Long range shooting trophy deer [Re: tlk]
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98% of folks have absolutely no business taking a shot at over 300 yards. Thanks to the current "long range" craze, about 50% of folks will try it. Therein lies the problem.
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