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30-30 help!
#5394054
11/02/14 08:30 PM
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ted.s
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Hey guys, I'm looking at buying a Mossberg 646 SPX for $350. the dude says he put 100 rounds through it and he's the second owner. anyone have any experiences with this gun? what about using a 30-30 as a pig gun? i know a lot of guys like them for deer.
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Re: 30-30 help!
[Re: ted.s]
#5394085
11/02/14 08:40 PM
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I wouldn't pay that much for anything Mossberg.
I don't care for 3030 and I own one. I would much rather have something else. Yes it will kill a pig.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394134
11/02/14 08:57 PM
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davvy
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Mossberg wouldn't be my cup of tea. 30-30? There may be better options but I'm yet to see the pig it won't put in the freezer
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394274
11/02/14 10:22 PM
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ted.s
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whats wrong with mossberg?
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394280
11/02/14 10:29 PM
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colt45-90
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nothing, its kinda like the Ford in the auto world
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394291
11/02/14 10:43 PM
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TheOilman
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The 646 is a good gun, a 30-30 will work fine out to about 200 yards for pig or deer. With Hornady lever ammo a 30-30 is totally differnt caliber. There have been more deer killed with a 30-30 then any other caliber. As to the mossberg haters I'm curiorus if you guys have even ever owned one ? I have several and they all go bang. My cheap truck gun which is a ATR shoot 1.25 inch groups with factory ammo, not bad for a $260 rifle. Granted I prefer my beretta over my mossberg shotgun but they are still great value guns. Not saying it is the case here but most of the time people hating on a certain gun have never owned that gun.
Last edited by Haydend; 11/02/14 11:00 PM.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394294
11/02/14 10:46 PM
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WBYHunter
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I've owned a Mossberg before and I won't do it again.
God Family Hunting
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394351
11/02/14 11:13 PM
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They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394356
11/02/14 11:16 PM
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nothing, its kinda like the Ford in the auto world dad burn it man, did you have to throw that in there. see, that just ain't right back to subject is it a 646 or a 464 either way a 30-30 will make a fine pig gun
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting.......holy kaka.....What a Ride!
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394380
11/02/14 11:27 PM
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They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups. I doubt that it still holds true that the 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber The 30-30 is a decent round out to about 125 yards. Your stretching it past that I own one and like the gun more than the caliber. I won't shoot at a deer with it past 100 yards
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394523
11/03/14 12:54 AM
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TheOilman
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They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups. Well ya you can get a more accurate rifle if you have the money your missing the point it's about value. Judging by his post I don't think he's wanting to spend $1200 for a custom 700 then another $2000 for a night force scope. I own firearms on both ends of the price scale and still think there are some good guns for a low cost.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394531
11/03/14 12:57 AM
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TheOilman
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They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups. I doubt that it still holds true that the 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber The 30-30 is a decent round out to about 125 yards. Your stretching it past that I own one and like the gun more than the caliber. I won't shoot at a deer with it past 100 yards Have you tried hornadys leverloution ammo? It will give you some reassurance about stretching it out to 200 yards.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394564
11/03/14 01:17 AM
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I won't hesitate to shoot a deer with my 30-30 out to 300 yards as long as I have my leverevolution in 140 grains. I spent a ton of time at the range with my gun and this ammo and I'm a believer.
I shot an old 7 two years ago from 300 yards and it made it 10 yards. Perfect double lung shot with very little holdover.
As soon as I empty that last box it will be a 200 yard gun again for me. Can't believe my favorite round was discontinued.
Lever evolution puts the ballistics right between that of a 30-06 and a 30-30.
Sure they may be better guns out there, but NOTHING wrong with the 30-30.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394572
11/03/14 01:19 AM
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txtrophy85
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They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups. I doubt that it still holds true that the 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber The 30-30 is a decent round out to about 125 yards. Your stretching it past that I own one and like the gun more than the caliber. I won't shoot at a deer with it past 100 yards Have you tried hornadys leverloution ammo? It will give you some reassurance about stretching it out to 200 yards. I have not because I've had trouble finding them I stick to the tried and true remmy 170 grain ice cream cones
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394603
11/03/14 01:34 AM
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TheOilman
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I won't hesitate to shoot a deer with my 30-30 out to 300 yards as long as I have my leverevolution in 140 grains. I spent a ton of time at the range with my gun and this ammo and I'm a believer.
I shot an old 7 two years ago from 300 yards and it made it 10 yards. Perfect double lung shot with very little holdover.
As soon as I empty that last box it will be a 200 yard gun again for me. Can't believe my favorite round was discontinued.
Lever evolution puts the ballistics right between that of a 30-06 and a 30-30.
Sure they may be better guns out there, but NOTHING wrong with the 30-30. Was is it being discontinued?
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394687
11/03/14 01:59 AM
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nothing, its kinda like the Ford in the auto world More like Kia
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394788
11/03/14 02:49 AM
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Rluckie
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My 30-30 is my favorite/go to gun. I'd rather loose any one or all of my other guns than to loose my Winchester 94. Maybe it's sentimental value, but it's my favorite.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394793
11/03/14 02:51 AM
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davvy
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The hornad is being upgraded with a new powder and better bullet design along with new badging not fully discontinued.
yes I currently own 3 Mossberg shotguns. I discovered the benelli nova and ruger American and haven't touched the Mossberg's since.
I use 140 grain hornady sst handloaded a little hot and match a light loaded 308s performance almost exactly.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394805
11/03/14 02:55 AM
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davvy
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I also need to learn to type. ! Lol
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394925
11/03/14 03:57 AM
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sprigsss
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Was is it being discontinued?
According to the Hornady Website the 140 grain has been discontinued for the 30-30 ammo. They still make the 160 grain and I have no problems finding it. The 140 grain was my favorite round. The 160 grain has good ballistics, but I can only get 3 rounds on paper, then have no idea where the rounds will hit. First shot is always exactly dead on. It works for deer hunting, just more difficult to spend time at the range waiting 10 minutes between shots.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5394961
11/03/14 04:19 AM
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Had a Mossberg 30-30 years ago, first deer rifle. In 4 years I replaced 2 extractors and one firing pin. Last time I took it hunting at the shot snap on a nice Mississippi 10 point. Put it up and started hunting with the single shot 20ga until I could get something else (Rem 788 in 7mm-08 which still serves me well).
The Mossberg was accurate enough 1 inch with my reloads but reliability was very bad.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5395141
11/03/14 09:55 AM
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ted.s
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its the mossberg 464. sorry for the confusion. i guess I'm going to pass on it for now, but i definitely see a 30-30 in my future. and y'all are right, i as bad as i want a several thousand dollar set up, theres no way its going to happen any time soon. so for now, I just ave to stick with the cheaper budget rifles or a good ol 12g slug
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5395163
11/03/14 11:05 AM
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What is your budget rifle with optic?
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5395250
11/03/14 12:37 PM
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txtrophy85
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Go buy a marlin 336 for $450 put a leaupold 2x7 on it for $200 And call it good
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: 30-30 help!
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#5395262
11/03/14 12:48 PM
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10ring
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Changing the subject here and I apologize but just out of curiosity I purchased a Thompson Venture this summer in 308. I got it for a little over 300 bucks off of gun broker and put a $100 Pentax on it. I have been truly amazed at how well it shoots. Not part of the 30-30 discussion I know but in the price range you may be looking at.
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