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#5386084 - 10/29/14 12:56 AM How would you manage this?
toolman Offline


Registered: 02/22/09
Posts: 3671
Loc: Abilene, Tx.
Here's the situation: I am married to the oldest sister in a family of five siblings, and their last parent (dad) just passed a couple of months ago. The family property is just over 500 acres with some awesome deer that are there ONLY because my BIL and I feed year-round, but several in the family want to hunt and some have brought their friends and their friend's kids to hunt.
I love the family aspect of the situation, but frankly, I'm tired of paying big bucks for everyone else to kill trophy deer on my dime.
My plan is for everyone that wants to hunt to pay for at least ten bags of corn per deer killed, which is stupidly cheap considering that we are regularly killing 140"+ and non-typical deer, including a 125" double drop-tine buck that my stepson killed a couple of years ago.
Am I wrong in thinking that everyone involved should NOT be inviting friends, cousins, etc. to hunt on MY dime?
I know that it's a bit unique because there are five siblings and four spouses involved, but there are only two of us spouses footing all of the bills.

Any ideas or personal experiences?

BTW, everyone else hunts out of our blinds also. The last guy that hunted my blind killed a 140"+ buck and a big doe, burned up a full propane bottle, and I don't even know his name. I do know that I crawled into my blind to find a heater that didn't work, a chair that would no longer go up, and a blind that smelled like moldy cheese, all for the low low price of $250/mo. worth of corn and protein and being kicked out of my own blind for the weekend, a situation that will NEVER happen again...
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#5386097 - 10/29/14 02:23 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
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Sounds like one of those deals that will never end well. Personally, I would have others pony up, but with that many folks hunting the place, you wont be taking 140" deer long IMO.

Think I would have a "heart to heart" with the other relative footing the bill and maybe let him present y'alls plan, may go over better.

I wouldn't spend another dime with the return you're getting though, but that is just me.
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#5386098 - 10/29/14 02:30 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
basspromaster Offline
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That's a tuff one. The best thing u can do is politely talk to those involved and get them to realize things. If others r going to hunt besides immediate family then set some ground rules like spike and antler less only. If u have a a game cam then print pics of deer u think r culls that others non family and family should kill. Also the respect aspect needs to be put in effect big time!!! Be respectful of the siblings and explain to them calmly if u get upset or pissed then u may be asked to get off completely even though u r the one that's done the work. Also look 4 another secret spot and put a feeder up that way no one else knows.

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#5386099 - 10/29/14 02:34 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
crooked horn Offline
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Registered: 01/20/14
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Loc: Brown County
I hate to say it, I've seen similar situations before, but if you are not an OWNER, you have no say in what takes place. If you choose to spend your money, and effort, knowing these things will happen, its on you.
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#5386131 - 10/29/14 05:36 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
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You've handled it better than I would. That's the reason I can't share a lease, not good with sharing personal space. I'm not sure what the answer is but you better get a handle on it now.

IF I allow a visitor to come out the rules are I'm there and they shoot what I say. You've told me where you hunt and that county is 1 buck for a reason. Everybody shooting bucks every year will ruin your place, you know it and I know it.

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#5386142 - 10/29/14 05:41 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
stxranchman Offline
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Just bring up you are going to have to lease the place out to cover the expenses you two are encountering since ya'll are the only ones footing the bill.
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#5386145 - 10/29/14 05:46 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
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Like others, I don't see a win/win deal here. If it were me, and it's not, I'd try to reason with the family. Good luck on that.

There are a lot of possible approaches to take but I doubt that any will work. I would damn sure put a lock on my deer stands.
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#5386151 - 10/29/14 05:59 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: Dave Davidson]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson
Like others, I don't see a win/win deal here. If it were me, and it's not, I'd try to reason with the family. Good luck on that.

There are a lot of possible approaches to take but I doubt that any will work. I would damn sure put a lock on my deer stands.
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#5386161 - 10/29/14 06:12 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: Seadog]
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Blood is thicker than water, and you're not family. So good luck getting traction on your own. The like-minded BIL should be carrying the flag, not you. He would be your best hope in getting a resolution because he IS family.

And it sounds like there's a family tradition in everyone hunting opening weekend, Thanksgiving, etc. Swim against that tide and someone may show you the door. And unless you personally own your stand and feeder, getting territorial and refusing to share with others might torpedo your own hunting rights as an invited in-law.

Think of it this way: Go out and price the cost of good leases these days. You have a free place to hunt, and all you pay is a bill for corn. That's a cush deal!
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#5386177 - 10/29/14 06:39 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
Jkd106 Offline
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I could not handle it, I believe I would just get another lease. What is the families plan with the property? Maybe time too sell, and BIL and yourself buy a small place.
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#5386186 - 10/29/14 06:47 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: dawaba]
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Originally Posted By: dawaba
Blood is thicker than water, and you're not family. So good luck getting traction on your own. The like-minded BIL should be carrying the flag, not you. He would be your best hope in getting a resolution because he IS family.

And it sounds like there's a family tradition in everyone hunting opening weekend, Thanksgiving, etc. Swim against that tide and someone may show you the door. And unless you personally own your stand and feeder, getting territorial and refusing to share with others might torpedo your own hunting rights as an invited in-law.

Think of it this way: Go out and price the cost of good leases these days. You have a free place to hunt, and all you pay is a bill for corn. That's a cush deal!


This, blood is thicker than marriage. Fact of life. Understand that and accept it and politely try to come to some agreement with the "blood relatives" or look elsewhere to take your game. Just remember that you'll be paying lease payments in addition to the feeding should you do that.

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#5386207 - 10/29/14 07:07 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
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Get another lease.
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#5386223 - 10/29/14 07:21 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
sloveless Offline
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Registered: 10/09/13
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We are in a similar situation on my stepdad's family farm. Only issue there is there are ~12 different owners (out to second cousins), and noone ever knows what the hell is going on.

We have just decided we are willing to work & pay for the corn to deer hunt, it is still cheaper than leasing the same land. We just lock our blinds, game cams, trailer, etc, but they still get messed with sometimes. We decided not to do a significant amount of work though (food plots, brush clearing, habitat management, etc.), since we don't actually have control of the property.

We have let several nice young bucks walk, only to have others shoot them at first sight. bang Make the best of the situation, try the heart-to-heart, but get ready to go find someplace else if you seriously want to invest in a property.

Sorry to hear your situation

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#5386312 - 10/29/14 08:27 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: DQ Kid]
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Originally Posted By: DQ Kid
Originally Posted By: dawaba
Blood is thicker than water, and you're not family. So good luck getting traction on your own. The like-minded BIL should be carrying the flag, not you. He would be your best hope in getting a resolution because he IS family.

And it sounds like there's a family tradition in everyone hunting opening weekend, Thanksgiving, etc. Swim against that tide and someone may show you the door. And unless you personally own your stand and feeder, getting territorial and refusing to share with others might torpedo your own hunting rights as an invited in-law.

Think of it this way: Go out and price the cost of good leases these days. You have a free place to hunt, and all you pay is a bill for corn. That's a cush deal!


This, blood is thicker than marriage. Fact of life. Understand that and accept it and politely try to come to some agreement with the "blood relatives" or look elsewhere to take your game. Just remember that you'll be paying lease payments in addition to the feeding should you do that.



Good luck. You need to talk to your BIL, but remember you're the outsider. I know if it were my family and they read this post, they would say " quit buying corn or stop complaining. You got a place to hunt."
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#5386322 - 10/29/14 08:33 AM Re: How would you manage this? [Re: toolman]
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Registered: 09/19/12
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You are going to be disappointed and most likely cause some hard feeling amongst the family if you continue down you current path. Solutions: quite managing and spending a bunch of money on the place and just let everyone enjoy and do whatever or find another place and start over. I don't see any other alternative that will work out well for you.
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