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#5367183 - 10/18/14 04:48 PM White Elk Ranch???
Kobus Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 09/16/14
Posts: 267
Loc: Kerrville/Del Rio
Can anyone tell me about this place? What they have heard? The hunting? Acreage? Breeding stock quality?

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#5367265 - 10/18/14 05:51 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
bghunter3 Offline
Woodsman

Registered: 11/01/12
Posts: 129
From what I have heard great ranch great genetics. Don't know about average.I do know they used to be in Colorado but moved to nebreska I thought .

Only pure bred European bison in north america too. I would hold onto your wallet though

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#5368669 - 10/19/14 05:45 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
okierifleman Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 04/14/12
Posts: 386
Loc: Houston
I don't know how big it is, but from what I understand it is extremely expensive. But, you can shoot anything you can dream of there. Mountain goat, bighorn sheep, dall sheep, reindeer, and I think they even have some yaks there. In addition to all the North American stuff, they also have all of your urials, ibex, and other sheep. I think Dick and Jim Cabela have hunted there quite a bit.

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#5368893 - 10/19/14 07:57 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
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Registered: 03/15/12
Posts: 401
Loc: Lone Camp Texas
Not sure of the Acreage, but a lot of Terrain,(Bluffs, Cliffs, Rolling Hills) they have some of the Best Red Sheep, Transcaspian Urials,and like stated above, Ibex, Mountain Goats, Tahr Etc. their "Stumberg" Sheep are not True Stumbergs though....
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#5369195 - 10/19/14 11:42 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
Lonnie Paul Walker Jr. Offline
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Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 1878
Loc: Santo, TX
All above is true, trophys. Not all ranch raised, but awesome animals. I think the prices are in a fair range, both for stockers an shooters if ur buying or hunting.
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#5369703 - 10/20/14 10:28 AM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
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Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 9287
Loc: Bandera, Tx
I know for a fact they have good animals. They bought a couple of my Ibex a few years ago.
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#5370005 - 10/20/14 01:01 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
Kobus Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 09/16/14
Posts: 267
Loc: Kerrville/Del Rio
How do they keep their sheep and goats from crossing if they are in the hunting area?

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#5370354 - 10/20/14 03:33 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
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Registered: 06/08/09
Posts: 477
Loc: Northeast Texas
I am sure they have breeder pens and then release the males onto the ranch.
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#5370447 - 10/20/14 04:28 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
Kobus Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 09/16/14
Posts: 267
Loc: Kerrville/Del Rio
What do their stumbergs look like?

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#5370504 - 10/20/14 04:59 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
Bawana59 Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 02/03/12
Posts: 466
Loc: USA
I have hunted on this ranch. Not sure of the size but it's a big ranch. His breeding operation are in a separate location 10 miles away with large breeding pens. On the hunting property I seen large heards of Red Sheep, armenian mouflon,persian ibex a few nubian ibex and yak. They are wild as they get. When I was there the animals were not coming into the feeders, long shots required. His breeding operation was cool to see. His breeder bighorn sheep was a stud. Over all the owner Tad Puckets was a great host.
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#5370558 - 10/20/14 05:18 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
Kobus Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 09/16/14
Posts: 267
Loc: Kerrville/Del Rio
What super rare things does he have?

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#5370635 - 10/20/14 05:55 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
TonyinVA Offline
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Registered: 03/24/14
Posts: 1856
Loc: Virginia, USA
Kobus,

Call up and talk to Tad..he's a decent guy. His prices are not all that bad given the quality of the animals. They do use feeders to get the sheep within range. Website is below...click on "Hunting" link for prices. His Red sheep are $4900 which are comparable to Texas given his sheep are high end.

http://www.whiteelkranch.com/

Gere are his fees

Trophy fee's

Afghan Urial $6,900
Transcaspian Urial $14,900
Nubian Ibex $9,500
Persian Ibex $7,500
Hybrid Ibex $4,500
European Bison $7,500
Yak $4,500
Markhor $8,900 to $12,500
Himalayan Tahr $4,900
Bighorn Sheep
$30,000

Alaskan Dahl Sheep $30,000
Stumberg Sheep $6,900
Armenian Mouflon $4,900
Stone Sheep $30,000
Red Sheep $4,900
Elk $4,900

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#5370654 - 10/20/14 06:02 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
TonyinVA Offline
Pro Tracker

Registered: 03/24/14
Posts: 1856
Loc: Virginia, USA
One more addoitional post....if you want Stumburg rams look into the Patio Ranch (Gary Ploch)
....Trophy rams are $4000 (34-35")and the bigger Breeders are $8000


BREEDERS


TROPHY RAMS


TROPHY RAMS

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#5370839 - 10/20/14 07:25 PM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
Kobus Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 09/16/14
Posts: 267
Loc: Kerrville/Del Rio
The ram in the far right in the breeder photo looks awesome. But some especially the trophy rams just look like oversized mouflon. IMO

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#5371061 - 10/21/14 08:39 AM Re: White Elk Ranch??? [Re: Kobus]
TonyinVA Offline
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Registered: 03/24/14
Posts: 1856
Loc: Virginia, USA
Kobus,

The pictures I posted were sent to me by Gary Ploch who runs the hunts at the Patio Ranch.....these are Stumberg rams NOT European Mouflons. I spoke to Gary a few times, and the rams they hunt are trophy quality rams, they are just not part of the breeding program. So I'll take exception to your opinion that these are Mouflons. I do not believe that the Patio ranch does live sales on any of its rams...only ewes....but I could be wrong. So anyone selling a Stumberg sheep hunt other than the Patio ranch would have to explain the pedigree of the ram.


Stumberg rams are suppose to be an Argali x European Mouflon cross that originated at the Patio Ranch. (see attached text), They supposedly crossed Mouflon ewes with a lone Argali ram at a zoo and then breed back the females off spring. That's why they have coloration similar to a European Mouflon. The reason I used the term "are suppose" is because I really don't know the pedigree of the zoo's Argali ram. Also, there are numerous types of Argali sheep and there appearance (body color and horn shape/size) vary.

So Stumbergsa are a hybrid....I suspect you might classify them as "Frankensheep" because what they did at the Patio Ranch isn't a whole lot different than what Thompson Temple does with his hybrid sheep and I have seen your comments about Thompson Temple.

Here is what the Patio Ranch says about their Stumberg rams

Stumberg Sheep (Ovis musimon x Ovis ammon) - In 1969, the owner of the Patio Ranch took 5 European mouflon ewes to a facility in Oklahoma that had a lone argali ram with no females. Five offspring were born the following winter. The females of those offspring were returned to the same facility the next year and bred back to their father. The progeny of that male and these mouflon ewes were the start of the hybrid sheep herd on the Patio Ranch. A number of years later, a member of the hunting community in Texas coined the term “Stumberg Sheep” to name these hybrids and the term took hold. The argali sheep are the largest of the world’s wild sheep. The hybrids have coloration very similar to European mouflon, but have much larger bodies and greater horn size reflecting the argali influence. The largest ram to date is over 45” on the curl with bases of over 12”.


http://www.thepatioranch.com/

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