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#5258627 - 08/17/14 07:39 PM Know your knots?
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As a Fireman I've had to learn and maintian the ability to use many knots. They come easy to me, but I've seen plenty of guys that have a hard time learning them and a harder time remembering them. Knowing a few knots are a valuable tool for the tool box, especially for a hunter. The ones I use most often are, in order:

Bowline (utility)
Butterfly (life safety)
Figure 8 on a bite (life safety)
Square (utility)
Clove hitch (utility)
Double Fisherman (life safety)
Figure 8 on a double bite (life safety)
Water Knot (life safety with webbing)
Figure 8 follow through (life safety)

A life safety knot is (in the fire service) acceptable to rely on for putting the weight of a person. A utility knot is not acceptable. A bowline used to be acceptable and with a safety knot added I'd trust it, but that's not how it is classified any longer. A life safety knot can also be a utility knot, a utility knot can never be a life safety knot.

With those 8 knots I believe you can do anything you will ever need to do with a rope.


Edited by FiremanJG (08/17/14 08:55 PM)
Edit Reason: added clove hitch
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#5258638 - 08/17/14 07:47 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Good advice, now I need to hit Google and see how to tie these knots!
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#5258645 - 08/17/14 07:50 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Thanks for the heads up. Hey, thanks for the work you do. Your service to keeping us safe is appreciated.

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#5258719 - 08/17/14 08:29 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: Gone to Texas]
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Originally Posted By: Gone to Texas
Good advice, now I need to hit Google and see how to tie these knots!


Was hoping I wasn't going to be asked to take pics of these knots. That's been done many times. grin
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#5258721 - 08/17/14 08:29 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: Nick1]
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Originally Posted By: Nick1
Thanks for the heads up. Hey, thanks for the work you do. Your service to keeping us safe is appreciated.


Thank you for the kind words.
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#5258729 - 08/17/14 08:32 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: FiremanJG]
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I teach knots when I lecture freshman animal science courses. It is a life skill many folks simply do not possess any more.

Most folks would also find quick release knots, clove hitches, and hay/tent knots(basically a way to tie a loop and tighten a rope) handy


Edited by Colt W. Knight (08/17/14 08:34 PM)

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#5258731 - 08/17/14 08:33 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: FiremanJG]
Cellis1981 Offline
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I know it's been said but I'll say it again. Thanks for your service! If you ever make it down this way hit me up and I'll buy ya a beer! cheers
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#5258732 - 08/17/14 08:33 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: FiremanJG]
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My Dad was in the Navy so I had to learn how to tie a lot of different knots when I was younger. I have not tied a lot of them in many years now so it would take me some practice to do some of them now.
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#5258775 - 08/17/14 08:54 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: Colt W. Knight]
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Dangit!!! Forgot to list the clove hitch! Thank you.

Going back to edit.
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#5258794 - 08/17/14 09:03 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Trucker's hitch, I use every week. Some call it a hay haulers hitch.

Anchor one end with a bowline. In the middle of the line, somewhat close to the other anchor you're going to tie a butterfly. Take the running end through the other anchor back to the butterfly and use the butterfly as a pulley. We need pics here to make it understandable. You then have made a 3:1 haul system with nothing but rope. You can tighten the rope tigher than dicks hatband. That's whay Colt may be referring to on a tent line. I use it to suck down a piece of lumber or steel that's resting on a closed tailgate to keep it from sliding side to side.
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#5258796 - 08/17/14 09:03 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: Cellis1981]
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Deal!
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#5258824 - 08/17/14 09:13 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Thanks for the reminder to brush up on the knot tying. I have had to use my favorite lately AKA the big-o-booger knot.
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#5258836 - 08/17/14 09:18 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: Simple Searcher]
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I was wondering who it would be that would bring up the "if ya can't tie a knot, tie a lot".

The key factors to a good knot are: easy to recognize, easy to tie, and easy to untie even after being loaded.

The bowline and the butterfly are two that really impress me. I've loaded 1/2" rope tied with those knots with hundreds of pounds and was still able to untie them. I have hung my life off of all of the life safety knots I listed. The highest I've done that is 110 feet. Once you learn how to tie them, and figure out how stout good rope and hardware is it's not as scary as it seems.
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#5258907 - 08/17/14 10:03 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Trucker's hitch, I use every week. Some call it a hay haulers hitch.

Anchor one end with a bowline. In the middle of the line, somewhat close to the other anchor you're going to tie a butterfly. Take the running end through the other anchor back to the butterfly and use the butterfly as a pulley. We need pics here to make it understandable. You then have made a 3:1 haul system with nothing but rope. You can tighten the rope tigher than dicks hatband. That's whay Colt may be referring to on a tent line. I use it to suck down a piece of lumber or steel that's resting on a closed tailgate to keep it from sliding side to side.


10-4. One of my most used knots.



Edited by Colt W. Knight (08/17/14 10:04 PM)

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#5258917 - 08/17/14 10:12 PM Re: Know your knots? [Re: Nick1]
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Originally Posted By: Nick1
Thanks for the heads up. Hey, thanks for the work you do. Your service to keeping us safe is appreciated.


^^^

Thanks! texas

I'll also buy you a beer if your ever in Fort Worth!
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