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#5253264 - 08/14/14 03:18 PM open carry
BowsNbones88 Offline
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So I'm really not gonna start this thread with me sayin somethin
I want to hear what y'all think about open carry in Texas and see what y'all think cause I know what I think but I wanna hear what y'all have ta say
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#5257078 - 08/16/14 05:59 PM Re: open carry [Re: BowsNbones88]
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#5258212 - 08/17/14 03:23 PM Re: open carry [Re: BowsNbones88]
HaveGunWillHunt Offline
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I think open carry is a mistake. I am a CHL instructor and with the recent changes to our CHL program now you can receive a CHL with a minimum of 4 hours of class room and a firearms proficiency. At no point in the training is weapon retention covered. When you carry openly you tell the world hey I have a gun and here it is. At least by concealed carry you some tactical advantage by no one knowing that you are carrying or where you keep it. Yes I agree that Fanny packs and man bags say hey I have a gun or valuables but at least there is some guess work to whats in there. There are people or animals that practice taken your weapon and hurting you. Action over reaction also known as lag time. I think that open carry has the potential to get some people hurt. Just my 2 cents.

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#5283635 - 09/02/14 05:04 AM Re: open carry [Re: BowsNbones88]
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Originally Posted By: BowsNbones88
So I'm really not gonna start this thread with me sayin somethin
I want to hear what y'all think about open carry in Texas and see what y'all think cause I know what I think but I wanna hear what y'all have ta say


It's stupid. That is all.

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#5284894 - 09/02/14 07:22 PM Re: open carry [Re: ntxtrapper]
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Originally Posted By: ntxtrapper
Originally Posted By: BowsNbones88
So I'm really not gonna start this thread with me sayin somethin
I want to hear what y'all think about open carry in Texas and see what y'all think cause I know what I think but I wanna hear what y'all have ta say


It's stupid. That is all.


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#5284940 - 09/02/14 07:45 PM Re: open carry [Re: HaveGunWillHunt]
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I agree with HaveGunWillHunt on one point and disagree on the other. First, I agree with him that concealed carry is best if done well. I disagree with him on the recent easement of standards for concealed carry licensing and renewal. It seems to me the powers that be finally figured out that the CHL class is a law class, not a gun class.
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#5286520 - 09/03/14 04:28 PM Re: open carry [Re: Slow Drifter]
HaveGunWillHunt Offline
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Originally Posted By: Slow Drifter
I agree with HaveGunWillHunt on one point and disagree on the other. First, I agree with him that concealed carry is best if done well. I disagree with him on the recent easement of standards for concealed carry licensing and renewal. It seems to me the powers that be finally figured out that the CHL class is a law class, not a gun class.


It is a law class but it is also a mental preparation and situation awareness class. The average student now does 4-6 hrs of classroom and has the responsibility and liability that goes with carrying a firearm. Most police officers do a minimum of 600 hours plus a minimum of 80 hours every 2 years. I know the argument well its not that same thing. It is very similar you are carrying a firearm and responsible for the use of the firearm if its displayed or fired to protect yourself or someone else. I like my students to be prepared and I if they ever get in a deadly force situation the bad guy has no tactical advantage at all.


Edited by HaveGunWillHunt (09/03/14 04:29 PM)

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#5286535 - 09/03/14 04:38 PM Re: open carry [Re: BowsNbones88]
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To me if cops can open carry the citizens should be able to with the training
I would love it to be open carry everywhere and it should be our right that come with the 2nd amendment .
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#5286839 - 09/03/14 07:55 PM Re: open carry [Re: Kenneth1977]
HaveGunWillHunt Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kenneth1977
To me if cops can open carry the citizens should be able to with the training
I would love it to be open carry everywhere and it should be our right that come with the 2nd amendment .


I don't disagree I just know what the level of training for most CHL holders is. They are not prepared for weapon retention. Most don't train at night, don't train every time they change guns, don't train every time they get a new holster, don't practice regularly, and are more likely to have their own gun turned on them then if they were concealed carry and kept that tactical advantage. I have the opportunity to carry openly and have for over 20 years but I try to keep mine concealed as much as possible. Although I am no longer full time LE officer and just a weekend LE now. I still keep mine concealed and its my preference. I do have the training in weapon retention and as well as a CHL instructor I am also a TCLEOSE licensed Police firerams instructor. I may get in a situation where EXAMPLE: "My bank is being robbed" if I am open carry everyone knows and I am forced to act immediately. If I was concealed I have time to assess and see how many actors are involved or if there might be a sleeper posing as a victim/customer. Just another prospective on open carry. My issue isn't weather it should be your right, is it tactically right for the situation.


Edited by HaveGunWillHunt (09/03/14 07:57 PM)

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#5287365 - 09/04/14 06:44 AM Re: open carry [Re: Kenneth1977]
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Originally Posted By: Kenneth1977
To me if cops can open carry the citizens should be able to with the training
I would love it to be open carry everywhere and it should be our right that come with the 2nd amendment .


I'll bet that if the State of Texas allowed open carry, the gangsters and thugs would still carry concealed......they know the element of surprise is a very real advantage in a gun fight. My personal belief is that if you pass the tests and can carry a firearm, then you should be able to carry it anyway you want......lots of people driving vehicles can't control them and aren't responsible and vehicles kill more people than guns, why to we want to place restrictions of firearms?
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#5288355 - 09/04/14 04:59 PM Re: open carry [Re: Concho]
HaveGunWillHunt Offline
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Originally Posted By: Concho
Originally Posted By: Kenneth1977
To me if cops can open carry the citizens should be able to with the training
I would love it to be open carry everywhere and it should be our right that come with the 2nd amendment .


I'll bet that if the State of Texas allowed open carry, the gangsters and thugs would still carry concealed......they know the element of surprise is a very real advantage in a gun fight. My personal belief is that if you pass the tests and can carry a firearm, then you should be able to carry it anyway you want......lots of people driving vehicles can't control them and aren't responsible and vehicles kill more people than guns, why to we want to place restrictions of firearms?



I don't disagree but its like a seatbelt we should be able to do it as long as we know the risks.

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#5288545 - 09/04/14 06:37 PM Re: open carry [Re: HaveGunWillHunt]
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Originally Posted By: HaveGunWillHunt
Originally Posted By: Slow Drifter
I agree with HaveGunWillHunt on one point and disagree on the other. First, I agree with him that concealed carry is best if done well. I disagree with him on the recent easement of standards for concealed carry licensing and renewal. It seems to me the powers that be finally figured out that the CHL class is a law class, not a gun class.


It is a law class but it is also a mental preparation and situation awareness class. The average student now does 4-6 hrs of classroom and has the responsibility and liability that goes with carrying a firearm. Most police officers do a minimum of 600 hours plus a minimum of 80 hours every 2 years. I know the argument well its not that same thing. It is very similar you are carrying a firearm and responsible for the use of the firearm if its displayed or fired to protect yourself or someone else. I like my students to be prepared and I if they ever get in a deadly force situation the bad guy has no tactical advantage at all.


Well then that's your prerogative. If that's how you really feel about it, make each of your students prove a minimum of 600 hours of training before you will accept them into your CHL class. Problem solved. See how easy that was? As far as I know there's no law preventing an instructor from setting standards for attendance as long as they are equal to or exceed state requirements.


Edited by Slow Drifter (09/04/14 06:38 PM)
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#5289439 - 09/05/14 09:24 AM Re: open carry [Re: Slow Drifter]
HaveGunWillHunt Offline
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Actually the law is very specific on what can be taught and how long. Looks like you totally misunderstood what was being said. CHL holders for the most part are not properly trained to open carry

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#5290042 - 09/05/14 03:01 PM Re: open carry [Re: BowsNbones88]
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Open carry is a touchy subject and according to our constitution we should be able to carry concealed or on the hip anywhere in america at anytime and with or without a CHL or training or the government telling us yea or nay. That is how I read it however I personally think that in Texas you should be able to carry open except in or around major cities/metroplexes.

I know that is contradicting my beliefs and hypocritical to the 2nd amendment.

But common sense says that everyone walking around with guns on their hips would not allow certain people the feeling of safety or comfort in their neighborhoods. Whether it is parents with their children that might feel uncomfortable or unsafe or me seeing some punk with his pants hanging down at his knees below his underwear and a glock with a 40 round clip on it hangin on his shoulder.

There is a time and a place for open carry and in my opinion in rural areas is where this will actually work better rather than in large cities.

And as everyone has mentioned carrying concealed is really the smart/tactical thing to do.

Open carry states do just fine so I think it would work here in Texas if given the opportunity.
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#5290076 - 09/05/14 03:22 PM Re: open carry [Re: HaveGunWillHunt]
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Originally Posted By: HaveGunWillHunt
Actually the law is very specific on what can be taught and how long. Looks like you totally misunderstood what was being said. CHL holders for the most part are not properly trained to open carry


I understand perfectly. The law sets the minimum requirements. Nothing says you can't require prerequisites to allowing someone to obtain a CHL through your course. Like the new 4-hour class option, that's a minimum requirement. If you want to require 8 you can.
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