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Bullets for shotguns Ivanov-57 #3316810 06/23/12 07:33 PM
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Bullets for shotguns Ivanov-57

The offered shells (BULLET SHELL FOR SMOOTHBORE AND RIFLED CHOKE HUNTING GUNS,  Patent No: US7,997,206B2 ; Date of Patent: Aug.16,2011 ),are used for hunting guns of 12 caliber 12x70, 12x76, 12x89 with Rifled Choke, Rifled Slug, Slug and Internal choke trunks.
The bullet shell (bullet) consists of two parts, it is a steel bullet in weight 31g and a cover made of polyethylene of a high pressure in weight 2g. Gross weight of a bullet shell 33g. Numerous test shootings for checking the grouping specification on different distances have been spent and they have shown stable results. 

ADVANTAGES:
1. The bullet works well at shooting on large and dangerous animals (a bear, a wild boar, an elk) through small obstacles - bushes, small trees, a grass which don't reject a bullet from the trajectory, because the bullet flies where it was sent despite small obstacles.
The bullet is not afraid of obstacles in the form of small trees and bushes
2. When hitting bones (backbone, shovel, neck, head, and frontal bone) the bullet possesses fine stopping effect and penetrative ability. When injected into the forehead of a bear, a wild boar or an elk, it makes a hole in a frontal bone very easily despite the angle of the bullet entry and the size of an animal.
3. When hitting muscles, the bullet also possesses good stopping effect at the expense of hydrodynamic blow and effect of temporarily pulsing cavity. Considering that any animal consists of water, when bullet gets in pulp strengthening of stopping effect is influenced by a funnel in a head part promotes creation of hydrodynamic blow. The above speed, the hydrodynamic blow becomes more expressed and stopping effect above at the same weight of a bullet.
Strengthening of the hydrodynamic shock when speed increases can be illustrated by shooting canisters of water at different speeds, with one bullet (weight 31g).
Shooting on the canister with water:
4. The bullet has a stable and good accuracy despite the cost of weapons at distances up to 100 m.
5. It is enough to start this bullet (weight = 31 g) with a speed Vо = 600-700м/с and we will receive the SUPERBULLET, with hydrodynamic blow and effect of temporarily pulsing cavities that provides SUPERSTOPPING effect which allows to hunt even on elephants in Africa with a usual smooth-bore gun, but it is desirable to have drilling of Rifled Choke, Rifled Slug trunks..
It is possible to speak about approach of an era of UNIVERSAL SUPER STOPPERS. That means that if we use the same smooth-bore gun and the same bullet ( 31 g) but objects of hunting are different, we will receive the necessary stopper for concrete object of hunting just changing speed of a bullet. Considering presence of qualitative gunpowder at solid cartridge firms and that solid weapon firms have possibility to replaced a trunk steel on usual smooth-bore guns without changing a design which is able to hold pressure not 1500 barrels, but 3000 bar for example. So it is possible to receive the cheap weapon (smooth-bore) and cheap bullet cartridge which give a possibility to hunt either a deer or a bear on Alaska or elephants and buffalo in Africa with the same gun, with the same bullet - only changing its speed.
And here is the most important and revolutionary superadvantage that allows to make a serious business with small investment! A bullet with an initial speed of 700 m/sec with a weight of 31g has an energy Eo=7595J, and it becomes the superbullet, which doesn't have analogues today.
The following internal ballistics have been achieved in the normal magnum shotguns of 12 caliber with the Italian powder M92S for nowadays

A bullet with an initial speed 500 m/sec and weight 31g has an energy Eo=3875J, which corresponds to the caliber of 6.30 and is enough today to hunt deer, wild boars and bears at a distance up to 70-100 m.

I guess I should say a few words about pyzhah DIANA.These wads of excellent quality and are a cross between felt and fiber boards. DIANA pretty tight wad, made in Italy by Diana Vasina. Very good just for Russia where the cold and the humidity is on the hunt regulations.
I ostrelival DIANA at -38, is the thing.
BUT DO NOT FORGET THAT THIS SHOULD USE THE DIANA wad of imported slow burning POWDER TYPE M92S. When using powders with domestic pressures jumps dramatically. I like it just for fun tried to Sunar on the ballistic barrel otsrelyat few rounds, and seeing the numbers (blood pressure rises sharply) immediately cease this activity.

Those who charge the Bullets for shotguns Ivanov-57 for M92S and DIANA, and go hunting for example at Archangel, then this bullet cartridges spit on the wild MOISTURE AND FROST 40.Here, Grandfather Frost is resting.
Charge should be so. First you have to pour the powder M92S using electronic scales in strict accordance with the recommendations. Then the shutter from Igor, then wad DIAHA, then the Bullets for shotguns Ivanov-57 (for the paradox of a shell mode in 2 parts for a smooth 3 or 4 or 6 parts), and of zavaltsovyvaem. It turns out smart bullet cartridge world level, which can be called VSEZONNYM.
I think that season bullet cartridges for shotguns using STI is the best thing I ever did. I am convinced that one ammunition plant, which will master this season bullet cartridge, leave deep ..... All plants producing ammunition bullet cartridges for extreme hunting for bear, boar, elk, etc.




Well, ready to report on the shooting at the M92S in different cartridges and different sample weights, but with the tables in the shooting balsvole.
I begin to express the very best results. Shot in the 50m dash in with your M3S90 with tandem-collimator + magnifier on Infrateha. The best result was on the liner Fiochi, cut off from 12H76 to 12H70. But the cartridge turned the ideal length of 64mm reloading Benelli, more precisely 63.8 mm.
Weight of gunpowder, the M92S 2,7 Chuck was going to shutter from Igor + DIANA H9. I would say more that I was able to replicate the best result, which was when Sergei on the Sunar. And I otsrelyal two series of 5 shots and shot quickly, so that the barrel could not hold his hand. I think that if you try, it can be even better, although much better. It should be noted that I had the best results were obtained at 12H70 in the magnum cartridges sample weights and Andrei from Voronezh best results were obtained at 12H76 on REM870. I guess it's cockroaches specific ruzhya.Chto interesting that no cartridge cases Fiochi capsule less than 12H70 Fetter and patterning in the sleeves the same length 12H70 well, very different (much worse in the Fetter)
After shooting well, very carefully collected the envelope and seals. Now lay out photos. DIANA Yes, no one is not found, probably scattered at a shot.
It should be noted that all the shells are in excellent condition, even though I shot at 500m/sek Magnums. Seals where obtyuriruyuschaya skirt after the shot had the crown. He spoke with Sergey and he suggested that this effect is clearly visible shells paradoksa.Na traces of paradox.
Completely forgotten. When shooting in the SPI version of the Diana + M92S + + from Igor obturator sleeve Fiochi 12H70, when shooting in the dark (off the lights), there was practically no fire and the barrel after a few dozen shots were clean, without poroschinok not burned in the barrel.
I think this fact tells us that all the powder burns, but again there is almost no fire, the muzzle and a slight pressure. I have never happened before in other snaryagah
And the last one. In this embodiment, the IPN equipment (steel bullet Ivanov) can talk about creating a year-round bullet cartridges for shotguns capable of operating on any large animal weighing up to 700kg and in all climates and at plus 40 and minus 40
Now lay out photos.


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Re: Bullets for shotguns Ivanov-57 [Re: Ivanov57] #3316825 06/23/12 07:46 PM
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If this bullet Ivanov-57 weight 30g accelerate to a speed higher than a conventional 550m/sek gladkostovlnym gun can go hunting at least in Africa. Today we broke up it for a long time to the speed of 500 meters sekundu.Tablitsa prlagaetsya.
Recently, we were able to disperse the bullet Ivanov-57 up to speed 580 meters per second, is the caliber of 375 African Goland Goland
At present, this bullet for the smooth


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Re: Bullets for shotguns Ivanov-57 [Re: Ivanov57] #3316871 06/23/12 08:11 PM
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I can not put a short report with the shooting of Rafael Benelli Comfort on STIs with a short barrel 500mm, cylinder, distance 50m, with a trunk strap Weaver and the collimator EOTech. Accuracy at 50m, 25mm on centers out of 5 (five (shots): This test did shoot E. Alexander from St. Petersburg.
Well done Pitertsy!
A more detailed report on my website.
Huge respect to Alexander Eduardovich a phenomenal result for accuracy. I'm such a phenomenal result for the accuracy of the gladkostvola not seen anywhere, ever.
Today, fans of the IPN can already get on the 50m accuracy is better than the ballistic barrel.
Personally I am glad that my personal record in the 50m 38mm already surpassed the number of people, it's the system. Hence, so others can shoot from the BOI. My record is 50 by 38mm with a paradox centers. Andrew from Voronezh showed the best result for the accuracy of the IPN in the 50m at 32mm centers.
Testing on the rebound, Alexander E. carries on a thick metal plates at an angle and 45grad 60gra.
conclusions:
SPI is not in contact with ricochets through metal plates at 45 deg and 60 deg











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Re: Bullets for shotguns Ivanov-57 [Re: Ivanov57] #3316952 06/23/12 09:03 PM
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do you sell these?



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Patent No: US7,997,206B2 ; Date of Patent: Aug.16,2011

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And this is the result otsrela with a 20 caliber Saiga (Saiga Kalashnikov analogue) with a paradox.
If a 12 caliber, we have achieved speed steel bullets and weighs 30g 580m/sek, then a 20 caliber bullet with a steel weight of 20 grams of speed was 660 m / sec. In the 12 caliber range is a direct shot 80metprov, a 20-caliber range of direct shot of 130 meters.
I think these results to the phenomenon of shotguns!






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Last time I hunt with BENELLE M3S90 in 12 caliber. I have it (12k) are satisfied, unnecessarily, I hunt in the Yaroslavl region. wild boar from the approach. Sometimes at night instead of the wild boar come across by chance on the host and here I feel confident, test, and more than once.
20 caliber did not take seriously at all. Began production of 20k STI only at the request of my friend Michael and all the bodies have only recently realized what a promising size (20k) in the form of tuning Saigo 20k in hunting the animal in tandem with STI, ie TANDEM = Saiga 20k + 20k + SPI paradox, especially for taezhnikov. Here, the range of direct fired 100-130m with an initial speed 500 m / sec (much more). To me, the Saiga 20 is a product of the most successful of all that produce Izhevtsy.U 12 gauge has a range of STI-blank 75 m / sec at a speed too much already above 500m/sek. Here's to you and here's canons and proven solutions. 20 caliber bullet in the Saiga 20 gauge will do in the taiga (where bushes and a host of them) any nareznyak in caliber 9.3 H62 at a distance up to 130m and a host too.










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Well, he was ready to put the results in the ejection of balstvola Sunar, sleeves Fioki 12H70, two plugs. I personally really liked it.

Case Fioki, 12H70, gunpowder Sunar magnum 42 Party 2/11, 2017, 2.35 / 40, the obturator from Igor, two cork wad S10mm

The speed was measured at 10 m from the muzzle. And speaking of V0 is necessary to add 10-15m/sek
 
  This is the best version of the bullet cartridge on the STI, and for those who are unable to get the M92S, but wants to get a good chuck on the domestic components, namely:


A. STI
A. Gunpowder Sunar magnum 42
Two. obturator
Three. two cork wad,
4. Case, the best any import.







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The energy of the cartridge 9.3 H62 = Eo 4812dzhoudey. If it is confirmed by testing a ballistic velocity V10 = trunk 580m/sek (and likely to be confirmed, unnecessarily, I been the norm 500m/sek Andrei already 540m/sek to 580m/sek already at hand), then the energy will be E10 = 5046dzhouley, it really is an achievement that lead bullets can not dream for gladkostvola, and for the rifle. It does not add the fear of the bushes.
With such a patron at the IPN can be at least in Africa, elephants and Buffalo skull crack.
I would say more that the higher rate of STIs better accuracy. Alexander E. with the usual short barrel length of 510mm Benelli Comfort is stable even in the cold barrel gets hot even for a grouping of 25-23mm in five rounds a few series in a row.
FEDERAL, REMINGTON, WINCHESTER with the weight of the IPN on steel 30G and pressures up to 100bar (specify one of these days) .......... Today, my best result of 38 mm accuracy, Andrei from Voronezh, the best result for the accuracy of 23mm, Alexander Eduardovich the best result for the accuracy of 18mm, and this is the system.


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Today is checked in the dash to the stability of sample cartridges 2.8-2.85-2.9 M92S on the cork 20mm (10 +10) + 2.5mm KP
and 20m caliber - 1.9gr M92S is also a 20mm plug.

(Cork - this thing!)

Scatter and roundness of holes at a distance of 50 m - NO (All Series 5 cartridges fit into the 25-28mm 12-caliber and 19 caliber 23mm to 20m)
/ Applause, even when shooting ... "ripped off"
I heard vaguely like ... whispering - type face spetspatrony ... "commissioned by the Federal Security Service" (ekspert. .. there ... shoot ...
shooting range is about ... the court of Smolny ... /
So ... I was amused in the process ...

In the 12 th shot with a short cylinder - 51cm bullet barrel Beni (great trunk!)
12-caliber - without optics - only 552y collimator. (Return is quite comfortable, too, there is a torch - the powder is completely burned, the barrel after firing a blank)
Big Respect Portuguese cork (from the department store in the WORLD PLUGS "METRIKA") and Michael Vatnik
It seems complex - best turned out to hitch 2.85 / speed of ...... - Photos and tables speed - AFTER THE AUDIT /
For more information ... write in the forum only after tests in August on the second (U.S.) and the results from the cron bal.stvola.
In the 20 caliber shooting with optics, the multiplicity set x4 - used EOTech XPS3 + IT 1.2-6 x 24

SPI classic shot (in the 20m and 12 caliber) and shorter brass LPI 20u
In the photo - the bullet 20kalibra (SPI20 and LPI20u) after hitting head-on into a steel plate .... by standing in front of her YELLOW PAGES (very thick)






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Originally Posted By: Fatalwishes
so where do we buy these?


You can buy here http://www.ivanov-57.ru/how2bye.htm


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so where do we buy these?


You can buy here http://www.ivanov-57.ru/how2bye.htm


Under mailing address country, USA is not an option.


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so where do we buy these?


You can buy here http://www.ivanov-57.ru/how2bye.htm


Under mailing address country, USA is not an option.



There is another option, to organize production under license in America.
Who will?
In the meantime, just send through my site http://www.ivanov-57.ru/how2bye.htm


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The transfer of momentum is more strongly due to the concave cavity. At this point, as there is air in the bag pressure which is greater, the greater the speed. The collision with the tissues, this pressure increases. Squeezed the air gives rise to all the parties have spread only to the energy and water hammer are both from the ball (a hemisphere, but curved). Net volume of air in the area is too small to create something, but for the starting point, with the necessary speed, it is enough - such as primer in the cartridge.
Speed ​​is very important! At low velocity bullet will work as a punch - more than the diameter of the diameter, respectively, more and hole. The energy is spent on direct injury to tissues and the penetration depth. At higher speeds, more significant effect of the runway (the temporary pulsating cavity). Losing speed, the bullet loses energy. Therefore, the runway is wider at the beginning and comes to naught at the end of the wound channel. The fact that the PI wider inlet and outlet is less than this does not contradict. After losing power, the bullet at the outlet worked as punch.
 Why not be compared, and an expansive and accurate lead bullets. At subsonic win will have a lead expansive - wider wound channel, and more tissue damage. Machined at supersonic speed to win by a pulsating temporary cavity. Run at a speed of 700 m PI / s and you ohreneete (sorry for the colloquial expression) from its destructive power.
Therefore, in the form machined magnum bullet will be very interesting, even without its "cross-country."
A couple more words. The energy impact short-term (peak surge), which leads to such a potent intracellular destruction. A check of this picture of a bullet through a soap. It was taken three pieces of soap and sealed with tape, one after another. Distance 50m.Pravoe shooting photos, the inlet is the average count is in the middle left photo outlet.



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On soap - expected and predictable result of the higher speed of the meeting, the more noticeable this method of energy transfer, ie bullet, first working on the stopping power by passing a lot of energy, and then when it was still a little work on the firmware on the left as energy. This obvious advantage over the flat and the concave side of the head, the maximum transfer of energy from a few centimeters deep wound kanalla, ie from the time of the meeting kantakta bullets to.


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Lay out the preliminary information in my performance (I myself fitted out) sandwich. According to preliminary conversations with AE and Oleg seems to get interesting.
But you must look closely and have sex with this sandwich.
Buterbrob-slang expression meaning DIANA + plug in different variations. I'm very flattered. that colleagues engaged in a topic variations snaryagi try and complementing each other trying to find the best option, perhaps forever.

Then, Sunar-42 magnum is where finish loading.





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You are what you were told? And you can read more and no points?


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Today, Alexander E. from Peter STI test under cron and reached the initial velocity at magnum pressures on the "sandwich" 587m/sek. YES THIS EVENT. The report will lay out later, but the most important photos.

I recall that at the speed of energy to get 580m/sek 30g 5000dzhouley pool is pipets!










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Today, at the request of athletes engaged in the development of SPI-SPORT. The problem is "easy" to make sport for the mass of small cheap bullet (bullet shell) STI-Sport, but the exact same as the STI, but in strict accordance with the patent. He tried to turn the different options, from classical music to leave as described in the patent ou can not do it. So we do under the patent. I was rushed, but I want to do no worse than the STI Classic. Another very important request of athletes that have SPI-SPORTS worked with muzzle brake.


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