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308 Dope Chart
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01/18/12 03:55 PM
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jeepercreeper
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Hey guys, so I am trying to create a chart for my .308 that I can use to determine the number of clicks at different ranges. But I'm not sure if I'm even close here. ANY help or feedback would be much appreciated! The rifle is a FN PBR 20" and scope is Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50 Rapid Z reticle. So from my understanding, I have a MOA reticle and MOA turret (1 click = 1/4"). I found a thread by FiremanJG that gave the details of how to calculate clicks. Anyway, I'm not even sure if I'm close on this one. I estimated the Drop (inches) using JBMBallistics calculator with my ammo type and estimated muzzle velocity. So that is probably not accurate and I will document my actual drop at the range and plug into the spreadsheet. Here's a high-level description of each column: Click = value of each turret click - 1/4" Distance = distance of target Distance Adjusted = this is Distance / 100 Click Value = Click X Distance Adjusted Drop = bullet drop of 168 gr Sierra at 2600fps Actual Clicks = number of actual clicks I would need to make on turret? Here's a URL to my spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtCuPvOezOkydF9sMVZqVUE4T0RTUS1XbjNUdDNOOUE
Last edited by jeeperbryan; 01/18/12 08:34 PM.
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Re: 308 Dope Chart
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01/18/12 05:33 PM
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There's a lot to go over here. First, your Zeiss scope is in 1/4" (inch), not MOA. So on JBM, your click adjustments are IPHY (inch per 100 yards or "in/100y"). Make sure your chart reflects this.
I have posted a drop chart below that shows inches and in/100y (or IPHY) amounts. Throw the term "clicks" out of your vocabulary. After all, what's a click? The word click has no actual value. In this example, 1 "click" = 1/4 IPHY value. 4 "clicks" = 1 IPHY value. Think in the adjustments that are on your scope. In this case, IPHY.
With this chart below, the rifle is zero'd at 100 yards. If you need to take a 400 yard shot, you would dial UP 8.8 (or closest to it, which is 8.75) on the elevation turret. 8.75 is 35, 1/4 IPHY increments up (or "clicks"). But, think in whole numbers, like the 8.75 amount, not how many "clicks" it takes. To do this correctly, your rifle must be zero'd at 100 yards and your turrets set to "0". This way you can keep track of your adjustments and return to a 100 yard zero easily.
This chart will get you close. But if your velocity is lower or higher, then you will need more or less elevation. Also, I ran it with a .447 G1 BC. The listed BC is .462, but that's above 2600 fps, which this bullet will be below. And the 168 grain SMK bullet is only good to about 700 or 800 yards, if it makes it that far. It is a very accurate bullet, but when it becomes unstable around subsonic speeds, it will tumble uncontrollably.
Oh, and always have the actual enviromental conditions plugged into your drop charts. the 3 main one's to get correct are temp, barametric pressure, and altitude. Humidity will effect trajectory the least, so I always enter mine at 50%. If the pressure or temps go up or down, it WILL effect your actual drop the further out you shoot. For this reason is why I hate shooters using preprogrammed ballistic turrets!!
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Energy (yd) (in) (in/100y) (in) (in/100y) (ft/s) (ft•lbs) 0 -1.8 *** 0 *** 2600 2521.3 100 0 0 0.8 0.8 2405.3 2157.9 200 -4.3 -2.1 3.4 1.7 2219.1 1836.6 300 -15.6 -5.2 7.9 2.6 2041.1 1553.8 400 -35.3 -8.8 14.6 3.6 1871.8 1306.8 500 -65 -13 23.8 4.8 1712.1 1093.3 600 -106.5 -17.8 35.7 6 1563.3 911.6
Also, I go out to the range about 1-2 times a week. Let me know if you want to head out to Top Gun some time with me. I could get you on target out to 500 yards there.
Last edited by ChadTRG42; 01/18/12 05:49 PM.
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Re: 308 Dope Chart
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01/18/12 05:33 PM
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Looks like a pretty good start, but you will need to know your actual velocity to tweek it for your setup. To get the most accurace chart for your rig a chrono for getting the velocity is good to have, then shoot at known distance as it may still vary a little from the calculated values. Sometimes published BC values are IMO optimistic.
There are several on the forum with I think real good experience for this. Looking forward to some of their replys
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Re: 308 Dope Chart
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01/18/12 08:35 PM
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There's a lot to go over here. First, your Zeiss scope is in 1/4" (inch), not MOA. So on JBM, your click adjustments are IPHY (inch per 100 yards or "in/100y"). Make sure your chart reflects this.
I have posted a drop chart below that shows inches and in/100y (or IPHY) amounts. Throw the term "clicks" out of your vocabulary. After all, what's a click? The word click has no actual value. In this example, 1 "click" = 1/4 IPHY value. 4 "clicks" = 1 IPHY value. Think in the adjustments that are on your scope. In this case, IPHY.
With this chart below, the rifle is zero'd at 100 yards. If you need to take a 400 yard shot, you would dial UP 8.8 (or closest to it, which is 8.75) on the elevation turret. 8.75 is 35, 1/4 IPHY increments up (or "clicks"). But, think in whole numbers, like the 8.75 amount, not how many "clicks" it takes. To do this correctly, your rifle must be zero'd at 100 yards and your turrets set to "0". This way you can keep track of your adjustments and return to a 100 yard zero easily.
This chart will get you close. But if your velocity is lower or higher, then you will need more or less elevation. Also, I ran it with a .447 G1 BC. The listed BC is .462, but that's above 2600 fps, which this bullet will be below. And the 168 grain SMK bullet is only good to about 700 or 800 yards, if it makes it that far. It is a very accurate bullet, but when it becomes unstable around subsonic speeds, it will tumble uncontrollably.
Oh, and always have the actual enviromental conditions plugged into your drop charts. the 3 main one's to get correct are temp, barametric pressure, and altitude. Humidity will effect trajectory the least, so I always enter mine at 50%. If the pressure or temps go up or down, it WILL effect your actual drop the further out you shoot. For this reason is why I hate shooters using preprogrammed ballistic turrets!!
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Energy (yd) (in) (in/100y) (in) (in/100y) (ft/s) (ft•lbs) 0 -1.8 *** 0 *** 2600 2521.3 100 0 0 0.8 0.8 2405.3 2157.9 200 -4.3 -2.1 3.4 1.7 2219.1 1836.6 300 -15.6 -5.2 7.9 2.6 2041.1 1553.8 400 -35.3 -8.8 14.6 3.6 1871.8 1306.8 500 -65 -13 23.8 4.8 1712.1 1093.3 600 -106.5 -17.8 35.7 6 1563.3 911.6
Also, I go out to the range about 1-2 times a week. Let me know if you want to head out to Top Gun some time with me. I could get you on target out to 500 yards there. OK, I think I'm following you. Instead of counting clicks, just use the turret settings instead? So each turret setting is 4 "clicks". So I updated my chart a bit to reflect some of your suggestions (above). Haven't decided how to add in pressure & temp values or added in windage yet. But at least if I can get a good spreadsheet setup that I understand, I can just plug in drop and windage values and it will calculate a decent turret setting for me. I just might have to take you up on Top Gun. You seem to be very knowledable.
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Re: 308 Dope Chart
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01/18/12 11:53 PM
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On your turret when at the hundred yard zero, does the turret show to be on "0"? Meaning you bore sight, fire it to zero it, then unscrew the turret screws, lift the turret (without clicking the erector) rotate it until the "0" is facing you and lines up with the elevation line. Have you done all this?
If so, you've got a solid zero on the rifle and the scope. I bet Chad's chart will get you pretty darn close, but you still need to shoot it to be sure. Document the environmental conditions every time you shoot. If you have a smart phone "Google" the nearest airport to your location to get current temp and baro. I use McKinney airport frequently, and "Shooter" ballistics on my phone.
Shooter gives Density Altitude. I write down the DA every time I shoot so I can look for trends. The most important trend I've found is that my .308 is very consistant, no matter what the environment is doing, out to 500 yards. But the chart goes to 1000 yards in case I have an electronic malfunction. Therefore I've got a pretty reliable dope chart taped to the rifle for corrections out to 1000. Beyond 500 I really need to pay attention to the environment.
I think what you were looking at in the past was the fact that each click you refer to represents different values at different ranges. 1/4 IPHY at 100 yards is 1/4". At 200 yards 1/4 IPHY is 1/2" at 300 yards its 3/4". The best thing to do is to not worry about inches any more. Think in IPHY since that's what your turrets are. I think in MILs since that's what my reticle and turrets are. People have asked me "how much does your .308 drop at a thousand yards?" I tell them 9.8 to 10.2 MILs, depending on the environment. When they look at me funny I say "thirty feet".
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Re: 308 Dope Chart
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01/19/12 03:27 AM
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On your turret when at the hundred yard zero, does the turret show to be on "0"? Meaning you bore sight, fire it to zero it, then unscrew the turret screws, lift the turret (without clicking the erector) rotate it until the "0" is facing you and lines up with the elevation line. Have you done all this?
If so, you've got a solid zero on the rifle and the scope. I bet Chad's chart will get you pretty darn close, but you still need to shoot it to be sure. Document the environmental conditions every time you shoot. If you have a smart phone "Google" the nearest airport to your location to get current temp and baro. I use McKinney airport frequently, and "Shooter" ballistics on my phone.
Shooter gives Density Altitude. I write down the DA every time I shoot so I can look for trends. The most important trend I've found is that my .308 is very consistant, no matter what the environment is doing, out to 500 yards. But the chart goes to 1000 yards in case I have an electronic malfunction. Therefore I've got a pretty reliable dope chart taped to the rifle for corrections out to 1000. Beyond 500 I really need to pay attention to the environment.
I think what you were looking at in the past was the fact that each click you refer to represents different values at different ranges. 1/4 IPHY at 100 yards is 1/4". At 200 yards 1/4 IPHY is 1/2" at 300 yards its 3/4". The best thing to do is to not worry about inches any more. Think in IPHY since that's what your turrets are. I think in MILs since that's what my reticle and turrets are. People have asked me "how much does your .308 drop at a thousand yards?" I tell them 9.8 to 10.2 MILs, depending on the environment. When they look at me funny I say "thirty feet".
Happy Shooting! Yep, I have the rifle/scope zeroed at 100yards and I reindexed the turrets back to "0". I'm gonna give this a shot next time I get to the range. I'm not really looking for exact accuracy, but I'd like to be close and on paper when moving different distances. Doubt I'll ever be shooting past 500 yards.
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Re: 308 Dope Chart
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01/19/12 03:40 AM
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Doubt I'll ever be shooting past 500 yards. I could have you shooting to 1K in a few hours with the right bullet. The main thing is getting set up behind the rifle properly with good trigger control. Work on getting behind the gun straight, and dry fire the gun a lot to get a good feel for the trigger (just make sure it's empty!). Your 168 should be good to about 700 yards or so out of an 18". I would think you would be running around 2550 fps or so. The 175 or 178 would be a better long range bullet. But 500 yards would be easy with a 168 and a good place to start. I'll probably be out at Top Gun this weekend, maybe Friday. Give me a buzz!
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