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Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency #2378161 06/19/11 09:33 PM
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Everyone needs to stay away from Thundercloud Marketing. It's a hunting outfitter/leasing agent and the guy's real name is John Steven Thornell, aka John Steven, aka Steve Thornell, aka John Thornell. He just scammed myself and another hunter, and found out that he scammed another group out of the Ft. Worth area. He lives(I think) in Austin, at least that's where his business is addressed. He operates alot in Young & Archer County. I was told that the authorities in Archer County are after him. STAY AWAY! If anyone has any info of his whereabouts please let me know so that I can give it to the proper authorities.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: a/c man] #2378221 06/19/11 10:15 PM
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A few years back I met him in Archer County to look at a lease. The place looked like sorry deer hunting and my gut told me "something ain't right with this dude". So, no money was exchanged. I have learned to listen to my gut, the hard way. Hope you get your problem resolved and the authorities catch up to him.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: batman] #2378608 06/20/11 01:26 AM
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This happened to me 2 years ago on a place I leased from this clown in Concho county. He still owes the land owner money for the lease.


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Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Feather Burner] #2378704 06/20/11 02:04 AM
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He emailed me a bunch of times offering to sell my hunts for me and guaraneed he would sell them. Just wanted to know how much and the location. That was it! I found that quite fishy and didnt go through with it.



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Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: mulie_mike] #2379014 06/20/11 04:13 AM
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Google the company and you will see some bad stuff. Wonder why this guy isn't in the pen yet.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Chuck McDonald] #2379397 06/20/11 02:22 PM
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I had a lease with Thundercloud last year and it mostly went well until Steve told me not to go back out after April Turkey because he had fight with land owner. My lease was supposed to run until end of August. All explained here.

http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2247880/Re_owner_v_lease_manager_v_me

Steve offered me another place by Olney that was his lease for day hunters, but he offered to share it for the year. He just let me know Saturday that fell through too.

1) Although infrequent when Steve gets in touch with me, I have still been in contact by email and phone (his phone number changed last month).

2) I haven't paid any money for the coming year, I had sent him two checks, but he never cashed them at least. My main concern is getting my stuff ($5,000 worth) off the old lease. I met the land owner once as he checked on me, but I don't know his name or number. I have asked Steve for this info, but haven't heard back. Please let me know if anyone knows the land owner SW of Lake Cooper N. of Olney where my stuff is or any authorities I can call to retrieve my stuff.

FYI Steve has never done me wrong except some lack of communication and my lease ending March instead of August this year. I have seen the other reports on the internet, there is a few page thread on this forum somewhere from last year.

3) I need a new lease! I will post a thread in this section now with my requirements. thanks.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Rob Lay] #2379438 06/20/11 02:44 PM
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I would go git my $5,000 worth of flush and bolt

Take enough people with you that one trip and your ouuta there.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Rockinmyshoe] #2379502 06/20/11 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rockinmyshoe
I would go git my $5,000 worth of flush and bolt

Take enough people with you that one trip and your ouuta there.


The land owner hasn't done me wrong and I don't know him, don't know his name or number. I believe I need to at least talk to him before I go on the land.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Rob Lay] #2379701 06/20/11 04:52 PM
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The Sheriffs dept and or Game warden may know who owns the land, call both and explain what's going on they may be able to help.

If I were in your situation I'd go retrieve my stuff asap.
If the landowner shows up while you're there removing your property introduce yourself and explain the situation have the contract with you in case he wants to take a look.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Rustler] #2379832 06/20/11 06:16 PM
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Lesson #1 never lease any property without meeting the landowner and getting his contact info.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Chuck McDonald] #2379847 06/20/11 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: Chuck McDonald
Lesson #1 never lease any property without meeting the landowner and getting his contact info.


it sounded reasonable because Steve was leasing 5000+ acres with 10 or so different tracts with 2-8 guns each from this land owner. the contract was very clear about not bothering or contacting the land owner. if I was the land owner and contracted to a lease manager I wouldn't want to be contacted all the time by 50 different hunters for every little thing, that's what the manager was getting paid for.

When things go South though it doesn’t seem smart and I’m in this situation now. I don’t think it will be too hard to work with land owner.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Rob Lay] #2380093 06/20/11 08:40 PM
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I have a buddy who went through some trouble with this clown. I had a conversation with him last year and just could tell from the phone I wanted no part of this jack wagon. He was trying to convince me that things were going a new direction in leasing land and basically wanted me to sign a contract I wasn't going to be comfortable with. I am not surprised by this post.

Chuck, it would be nice if all the land owners were accessible.


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I hunted with Steve about 7 years ago on a day hunt for hogs out of Archer City. When i talked with him he was based out of the Abilene area.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: a/c man] #2380480 06/20/11 11:50 PM
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Well I can't say that he scammed me now because I got my money back today. But, the huge trouble that he has put me through now and all the hard work for nothing, when he knowingly leased this property to me after the landowner told him that he was not going to use him again. And yes, I located the actual landowner and spoke to him, so these are facts. Now I have to jump off my [censored] and find another lease. It shouldn't be this complicated and stressful to try to enjoy hunting. All I want is a long term deer lease where I can take my wife and teach her and just enjoy hunting. Still, beware of Thundercloud!


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: a/c man] #2380746 06/21/11 01:35 AM
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YOu don't have to be buddy buddy with the lanf owner, but you should know who he is and have contact info for him. Your on his land, I can think of alot of reasons why it would be wise for you to contact him.


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I had a deal with steve for 4 or 5 years,didnt do me wrong at all.I know were he lives and all the places he leases in archer and as for the cops looking for him i doubt it becouse one of the landowners he leases from is a cop in holiday.Yes it just takes him forever to do stuff but he does take care of things sooner or later.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: prohunter2011] #2380904 06/21/11 02:33 AM
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I don't think Steve has taken any of our money or would do that, he just worked with several of us for the coming year and then he had break-ups with the land owners.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Chuck McDonald] #2381011 06/21/11 03:10 AM
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I may have a nice lease for you just depending on what location you are looking at.
PM me if interested.



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Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: mulie_mike] #2381027 06/21/11 03:16 AM
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Rob
I may have a nice lease for you just depending on what location you are looking at.
PM me if interested.


I am open to anywhere, distance not a concern depending on what's there. J.J. Kent working a potential Oklahoma lease for me right now.


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I used Steve over the years for day leasing quail. Actually had several good hunts. He's always been on the up and up with me.


Re: Beware of Thundercloud Marketing leasing agency [Re: Chuck McDonald] #2381734 06/21/11 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: Chuck McDonald
YOu don't have to be buddy buddy with the lanf owner, but you should know who he is and have contact info for him. Your on his land, I can think of alot of reasons why it would be wise for you to contact him.


I understand but typically the lease broker does everything possible to keep you from meeting the landowner. Trying to prevent getting cut out of the middle in the future.


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If some of you guys had a good experience with him, good for you. I guess that I was just one of the 7(that I know of) who took it up the tailpipe within the past few months. Now I'm a business owner too, and I can tell you that if I ran my business like this guy does, I'd be bankrupt or in jail within 60 days. And for the record, there is absolutely nothing in my blogs that aren't the absolute truth.


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Originally Posted By: a/c man
If some of you guys had a good experience with him, good for you. I guess that I was just one of the 7(that I know of) who took it up the tailpipe within the past few months. Now I'm a business owner too, and I can tell you that if I ran my business like this guy does, I'd be bankrupt or in jail within 60 days. And for the record, there is absolutely nothing in my blogs that aren't the absolute truth.


I agree with the headache, because I have been going through that. I still don't have my stuff off the lease! At least you didn't lose money though.


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If I EVER had to deal with a lease broker/agent I would quit hunting...period. Package hunt or whatever but NEVER deal with those dudes.....jmo


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I thought Steve was out of Abilene?


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