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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700 [Re: West Fork Armory] #1503546 06/29/10 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: WestForkGuideService
I shot next to guys with $7,000 over an unders, that couldn't out shoot me with a Rem 870!


So, if I beat a guy with a Perazzi or a K-gun that means my gun is better than his?



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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700 [Re: West Fork Armory] #1503555 06/29/10 03:37 AM
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wow...Some people just dont get it. You would probably argue with a brain surgeon about brain surgery.



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Whoa, whoa! Let's not drag good ole pot into this ugly arguement. SHe didn't do anything wrong here.

Been reading this thread and just want to add a few comments.
Although I've never actually owned a Tri-Star semi, I know I like their side-by-sides.
Take it from a guy who has studied it and is regularly as consideration in my work, close tolerances are NEVER a bad thing. Yes they are little annoying when initially assembling moving parts, but in the long run you always want parts as close to the actual dimension as possible. There is a reason why 1" +/- 0.01" is significantly cheaper than 1" +/- 0.001" when it comes to machining costs.
It is highly unfair to claim that all 391's are crap. I break in rifles and hand guns religiously, but for some reason didn't on my 391. You know what? She shoots like a champ. For no good reason one day, I started shooting a bunch of random shells I found everywhere; some steel, dove loads, 3", shells with rust all over, a bunch of unknowns, etc. She cycled them all.



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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700 [Re: West Fork Armory] #1503827 06/29/10 01:27 PM
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I shot next to guys with $7,000 over an unders, that couldn't out shoot me with a Rem 870!

Well, It is the Indian and not the bow or arrow rolleyes




Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700 [Re: TDK] #1503848 06/29/10 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: TDK
wow...Some people just dont get it. You would probably argue with a brain surgeon about brain surgery.
This is pretty much like talking to a tree, not a big tree either, a really small tree that hasn't dropped any nuts yet.


and for Korean Redneck: I didn't ever say all 391's are crap, I just stated that mine had a long break in period and that for the money a Tristar is a great gun. I mean really, both of you are all about tolerances this and tolerances that. Do you even know the difference in the tolerances between the two guns, or are you just assuming?


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I have held back but I am now going to jump in the fray. I also have a G2 Viper. I got it because my first generation Viper was a complete POS(It was a gift.) You that would espouse tolerances I simply ask, when did you disassemble one of the G2's and what were the tolerances? Uh huh. I have shot countless rounds through my "lowly Tristar" with no issues including this past duck season when the water was frozen over with no jamming, self implosion or the trigger group falling out. Hate all you want but as the old addage goes, don't knock it till you tried it. As for the "I sold them for years" you didn't sell the G2, it wasn't out. Anybody remember a car called the Edsel? Funny, but Ford is still in business. The old Vipers were crap, this one isn't. And the G2 is not $250, those are the old ones.



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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700 [Re: Stoney] #1503939 06/29/10 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: craigr
I have held back but I am now going to jump in the fray. I also have a G2 Viper. I got it because my first generation Viper was a complete POS(It was a gift.) You that would espouse tolerances I simply ask, when did you disassemble one of the G2's and what were the tolerances? Uh huh. I have shot countless rounds through my "lowly Tristar" with no issues including this past duck season when the water was frozen over with no jamming, self implosion or the trigger group falling out. Hate all you want but as the old addage goes, don't knock it till you tried it. As for the "I sold them for years" you didn't sell the G2, it wasn't out. Anybody remember a car called the Edsel? Funny, but Ford is still in business. The old Vipers were crap, this one isn't. And the G2 is not $250, those are the old ones.


Yeah what he said. Except $250, I got mine for $248, but I really think Academy had it marked wrong as a G1.


Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700 [Re: West Fork Armory] #1503975 06/29/10 02:55 PM
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[quote=WestForkGuideServiceDo you even know the difference in the tolerances between the two guns, or are you just assuming? [/quote]

Look here, dude. There is no reason to insult people and talk like your $hit don't stink, ok. I never questioned your credibility and you shouldn't question mine. What I wrote about tolerances is just a personal, not to mention pofessional, opinion on the general topic of. And how they apply to guns and firearms, give me better finer made and better quality controlled products any day of the week over loosely manufactured parts simply to make the over product line work ok. I am not in a combat zone and don't need extra play in my parts to make it forgiving.

You can think all you want about the word and what you believe that I percieve it to mean. But there is a reason why people are willing to pay $2500 for a Wilson Combat when they can purchase a Taurus for 20% of the cost.



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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700 [Re: Korean Redneck] #1503997 06/29/10 03:07 PM
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I didn't insult you. If your insulted by me talking about the tolerances in a firearm, get over it. I asked if you know the difference in tolerances between the two firearms? Well do you? I'm looking at both guns right now, sitting right next to my safe, the parts are almost identical, even the finish on the G2's barrel is the same. When I take each apart, they are very close in make.


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Look, to get back on subject for the sake of the person who started this thread. Go buy two Tristar G2 Vipers, and 4 cases of shells and shoot the hell out of them. With all of that, you will still have spent less than $700 and you have two nice Semi-Auto firearms ready for dove season. You can let Korean Redneck come out and shoot the other one, so he can come back from the field surprised by the quality of a firearm that happends to cost less then the rest.


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Originally Posted By: WestForkGuideService
Look, to get back on subject for the sake of the person who started this thread. Go buy two Tristar G2 Vipers, and 4 cases of shells and shoot the hell out of them. With all of that, you will still have spent less than $700 and you have two nice Semi-Auto firearms ready for dove season. You can let Korean Redneck come out and shoot the other one, so he can come back from the field surprised by the quality of a firearm that happends to cost less then the rest.

Buying 2 may prove to be a good idea.........






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Originally Posted By: WestForkGuideService
Look, to get back on subject for the sake of the person who started this thread. Go buy two Tristar G2 Vipers, and 4 cases of shells and shoot the hell out of them. With all of that, you will still have spent less than $700 and you have two nice Semi-Auto firearms ready for dove season. You can let Korean Redneck come out and shoot the other one, so he can come back from the field surprised by the quality of a firearm that happends to cost less then the rest.

Buying 2 may prove to be a good idea.........



Lol, ok I'm done for now. This has been fun and entertaining but this thread will go on for days. All I have to say is................................................................................................................ Get a Tristar G2....

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Now, why would I need to do that? My gun works great as is, ad the best part was that it was free.



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what do yall think about the mossberg 935?


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I didn't insult you. If your insulted by me talking about the tolerances in a firearm, get over it. I asked if you know the difference in tolerances between the two firearms? Well do you? I'm looking at both guns right now, sitting right next to my safe, the parts are almost identical, even the finish on the G2's barrel is the same. When I take each apart, they are very close in make.


roflmao I could take a micrometer to it and prove it, but then I'd get crap on my hands. Its $248 for a reason... You may be able to shoot them, but you dont get what makes a good gun and a bad gun.

to the OP, I know of a great condition used Beretta 390 for $475, if your interested PM me.


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Just go take that micrometer and prove it then, take some pictures and post them. Prove me wrong!


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I dont need to, your credibility is already destroyed. Why should I be the one the one to put the nail in the coffin? Im also not going to buy a Tristar just to prove my point, they arent readily available to me in my new location.

Its sad when a micrometer costs more than the gun its measuring.


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I dont need to, your credibility is already destroyed. Why should I be the one the one to put the nail in the coffin? Im also not going to buy a Tristar just to prove my point, they arent readily available to me in my new location.

Its sad when a micrometer costs more than the gun its measuring.
I though you said you've sold dozens over the years, you should have one in your shop, since your supposely a gun smith, gun dealer, gun expert, and John Moses Browning's right hand man.

Just listen here you Colorado yuppie. You must be as confused in your head as much as you are on this forum thread. My credibility is in no way destroyed, your in a world of your own you disrepectful moron!


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Well first off the place I used to work for sold them.

Next im Texas born and raised, but moved to Colorado to start gunsmithing school. Not a Colorado yuppie yet...

Confused I am not.

Try again...


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The others credibility has been in qeustion alot lately.....






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