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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 01:46 PM
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Dont be the guy that buys the Tristar for $350 less, then comes on here whining because it broke or wont cycle in the middle of the season.
Surely that wouldn't happen..... Actually it wouldn't happen, I've own a Beretta 391 Urika and now a Tristar Generation 2 Viper, and let me tell you, the Tristar is the only one of the two that has never jammed, misfired, or actually done anything negative. My Beretta on the other hand jammed like crazy for the longest time. You want to know whats bad is, I know that $248 Tristar will out shoot my $950 Beretta, no doubt. We actually shot 250 rounds through the Tristar today at some clays, not one problem or jam. And when you compare the two up close they are very similar, and the Tristar is lighter too. I thought that would be problem with the kick and all, but it's not. It kicks the same as the Beretta. So don't knock the Tristar, IMO, it is by far the best deal out there! Congratulations on your gun. Many of my friends have Berettas and shoot them competitively, and none have had the issues that you have. That has got to be fluke. With all that jamming, did you ever let a gunsmith look at the gun or just pass the gun/problem on to someone else without telling them? No, I shot it until the problem went away. Which was an unknown amount of rounds, but it was at least a few cases. By then I wasn't as confident in the gun. The manual for the Beretta said the break in was a few thousand rounds. I don't see why they wouldn't break them in for you if it takes that many rounds. And for the comment about. "what if the company "Tristar" goes under" Who cares, I only spent $248, the repairs on a Beretta cost more than that alone. I thought this topic was, best shotgun under $700, I've never seen a new 391 anywhere near $700! Another thing is I said was "Generation 2" which has been proven to be a reliable gun, the Generation 1's had problems, but come one, most things out there that are Generation 1 have problems.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 02:05 PM
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Look for a 3901 Citizen.... Walmart carries them for under 700
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 04:00 PM
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keep telling yourself that. Cant argue with something that is proven.
Tristar still has inconsistent quality control, glad you got a good one. But I wouldnt base my opinion on a gun with only a few hundred rounds in it, especially when there are Beretta 391's with over 200,000rnds that still work fine.
Its also far from the best deal out there. But I guess my opinion of "a good deal" is different.
Its also my experience that most semi-auto problems are operator error. But I am not saying the possibility isnt there for a manufacturer defect, because even the high end guns have them. Beretta 391's are known for having cases of bent carriers from the factory which cause jamming issues. But that number is very small.
Then we can bring up the fact that Tristar is a new company that MAY OR MAY NOT be here 5yrs from now. Whats going to happen if they go out of business and you cant get parts if it breaks? Your going to be paying a lot of money for a gunsmith to make a part and its not worth it in a $248 diposable gun. Beretta...I bet they can make it another 500yrs.
Beretta 390 for the win!
Tristar=disposable OR...what if 5 years from now they are a premiere firearm company like Benelli, and all of yall are paying $1200 bucks for YOUR Tristars?
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 10:45 PM
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You guys are right. Tristar is a great gun. Better than Beretta by a long shot. Heck, the tolerances are so loose you dont even have a break in period. That must be a good thing...
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:03 PM
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You guys are right. Tristar is a great gun. Better than Beretta by a long shot. Heck, the tolerances are so loose you dont even have a break in period. That must be a good thing... Or maybe, just maybe they broke them in for you, like military weapons are broken in before they are sold.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:03 PM
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glad you came to your senses.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:11 PM
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Or maybe, just maybe they broke them in for you, like military weapons are broken in before they are sold. LOL...You have been fed a lie buddy. You REALLY dont know what you are talking about.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:13 PM
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I own both the Beretta Urika and the Tristar Viper. The Tristar should not be overlooked because of it's price, it's a great gun. Talk all the crap you want, but it shoots really well. I even let my Uncle Ed shoot it when he visited, we Won the 62 annual ATA shoot for the Southern zone. He couldn't believe the gun shot like it did. Really, I don't care what y'all buy, I know how both shoot, I like them both, but for the money the Tristar is a much better deal.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:14 PM
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Or maybe, just maybe they broke them in for you, like military weapons are broken in before they are sold. LOL...You have been fed a lie buddy. You REALLY dont know what you are talking about. 5 years as a Gunners mate and Master at Arms US Navy and Task Force 26 gunner for OIF, I know what I'm talking about!
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:16 PM
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So what is a "military" weapon?
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:22 PM
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A US contracted and supplied weapon, Colt M-16, M-4, M727, FN's machine guns like the M240, M249. All these weapons are shot many times prior to being sent to installations. I'm just stating that the Tristar appears to be going though a break in at the factory, even through it is in Turkey. I also know that there are some really fine shotguns that come from Turkey, I tryied like crazy to ship one back when I was on the Iraq/Turkey border, but because of the new postal service rules, I couldn't. Their over and unders were amazing.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:36 PM
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Go look up the word "tolerances" in a dictionary, then apply it to firearms. Think about the good and bad...
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:39 PM
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Also, I will one-up Judds offer and trade you two Tristars for your Beretta 391. I'll make sure they are broken in from the factory too.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:42 PM
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Go look up the word "tolerances" in a dictionary, then apply it to firearms. Think about the good and bad... What does that have to do with it? If the tolerances were off on the Tristar is would not operate correctly, or it could even blow up. Obviously the tolerances must be right on, I've hundreds of rounds down the tube, and not one problem. I'm also not the only one saying their a good gun. Also, you can tell me about tolerances after you have timed a "Ma Deuce"
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:46 PM
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Tolerances have everything to do with it. Why do you think guns need a break in period? Why do you think engines have a break-in period?
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:49 PM
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Exactly my point, they are breaking them in prior to shipping them out.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:50 PM
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Beretta does not break in their 391, read the manual. They have a long break in period
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:53 PM
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So lets say you some how happen to buy a New Beretta 391 for under $700, lets say $699.95, well now you may need to shoot 500 - 1000 rounds or more to get it broken in. That will cost $100 to $200 in ammo. Now you should have a field ready gun for $800 to $900. The Tristar was $248.00 and required no break in to be field ready, and all these hundreds of rounds later, it's still field ready.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:55 PM
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BTW, The cheapest I can find a new Beretta 391 is $825.00.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/28/10 11:55 PM
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Im crying uncle and saying that you beat me with experience...
I've going to go read some books that will better my knowledge on guns, hopefully that coupled with going to gunsmithing school will help me better understand guns. Because right it smells like crap and I cant see anything...
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/29/10 12:02 AM
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I'm not trying to beat you at this, I just know what I've seen personally between the two guns. If your ever in the Houston area you can come out and shoot the Tristar, you'll be surprised. I actually felt like I ripped the store off after I shot it. That invite goes to anyone else too, just bring some shells.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/29/10 12:04 AM
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No need to...I sold dozens of them over the years. I dont need to shoot them to know that you should start playing the lottery if you got a good one.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/29/10 12:09 AM
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That may have been the case with the first round, but the Generation 2's are up to par with similar brands. They even have a 5 year warranty.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/29/10 02:29 AM
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Exactly my point, they are breaking them in prior to shipping them out. Dude...seriously, if you believe that we need to make that deal I offered you earlier. The reason TriStar doesn't have a break in is because they aren't built as tight as any other the premium guns. Shotguns are one of the things that makes the "you get what you pay for" statements still popular. Now, I ain't saying there aren't good ones and bad ones of every manufacturer. Seriously, I am glad you are happy with your TriStar but it isn't even in the same league of a 391...it if was they would be asking 4x what they are and you wouldn't hear of half the issues.
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Re: Best semi auto 12 gauge for under $700
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06/29/10 03:26 AM
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Exactly my point, they are breaking them in prior to shipping them out. Dude...seriously, if you believe that we need to make that deal I offered you earlier. The reason TriStar doesn't have a break in is because they aren't built as tight as any other the premium guns. Shotguns are one of the things that makes the "you get what you pay for" statements still popular. Now, I ain't saying there aren't good ones and bad ones of every manufacturer. Seriously, I am glad you are happy with your TriStar but it isn't even in the same league of a 391...it if was they would be asking 4x what they are and you wouldn't hear of half the issues. Don't you think that since I own both guns and you don't, I would know what league to catagorized the Tristar in? There in the same league when it comes to a Basic Beretta 391 and a Tristar G2 Viper. When broken in, they shoot the same, handle the same, even look the same. The parts are even made almost the same. Definately the same in design. And the "get what you pay for" does not always apply to guns. I shot next to guys with $7,000 over an unders, that couldn't out shoot me with a Rem 870!
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