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Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: fowlplayr] #271143 12/06/07 03:43 PM
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25 and 2000 ft-lbs minimum.



Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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This is interesting and I would like to see a poll regarding this subject.

I understand you have your opinion, and I'm not debating it, simply stating facts here.

Under this scenario .22, .24, some lighter .25 loads probably wouldn't make it, 150gr. 30-30 (around 1900ft.lbs), and a whole slew of others have been eliminated from deer hunting based on that rule.
Geez,Pa-Pa's going be ticked 30-30's have probably killed more deer than any two other calibers combined.

My recommedation would simpy be a minimum of .24 AND 100gr.

If this law passed, I would love to be a gun/ammo salesman?


Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: fowlplayr] #271145 12/06/07 04:04 PM
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30-30 Just squeaks by.

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Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: HWY_MAN] #271146 12/06/07 04:29 PM
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The cheap Remington Core-Lokt's wouldn't. I see it listed as 1900 for 150gr, and 1827 for 170's.

Seems there would immediately be a loophole based on manufacturer too.


Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: fowlplayr] #271147 12/06/07 04:31 PM
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22 LR is plenty for deer if shot right it all depends on who's holding the gun. We have enough laws on the books as is. Another law = Another Tax.


Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: fowlplayr] #271148 12/06/07 04:33 PM
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I dont know fellas I think yall are going a little far, I dotn like the 204 for deer either, and frankly feel it is somewhat iresponsible on the shooters part, but that is their choice, and they will have to live with the consequences no matter what. With I my brother my father and even my grandpa have killed deer for years with a 30 carbine, it is a 110 grain soft point at 1900 fps and 976 #'s at the muzzle and we only had one get away, and it was a bad shot on my part. Maybe a restriction is a good idea, but that may be taking it a little far.

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Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: HWY_MAN] #271149 12/06/07 04:38 PM
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IMO the .204 is just too light for medium size game. You can kill a deer with a croquet mallet too, if the shot placement is right. I've shot a Corsican or two, behind the shoulder, and some die right there while others run off somewhere else to die. But, the Corsicans pretty much come under the same category as coons in this case. They aren't game animals. JMO.


Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: redchevy] #271150 12/06/07 04:40 PM
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I agree. I certainly would not vote FOR it, but hypothetically we could be forced to make a decision in the future.

Let's get the original thread back on track and move the "minimum requirements" discussions to it's own thread. Just for fun, I have posted a poll regarding this subject.
http://www.texashuntingforum.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/302901/an/0/page/0#Post302901


Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: Crazyhorse] #271151 12/06/07 05:24 PM
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Maybe it is time hunters in Texas started pushing TP&W to enact caliber and grain weight minimums for hunting deer.


CHC,That is just what we need more rules and laws and our kids down the road will have hire a lawyer to read the hunting manuals. Ever tought about with this rule that you want to entact that they might not only say min. but also add a max. as well( if you couldn't hunt with those big bores). Everybody thinks it wrong to hunt with a small cal. well I've had nothing but good from them. If a deer is lost from a big bore than everything is alright because it not your fault it just happens maybe you just hit in the void spot(between the spine and lungs)well get you a smaller and faster bullet that will fragment and this wont happen. The only deer I ever lost was shot twice with a 30'06 with a 220 gr bullet at about 45 yards. I've hunted with larger cal. and had to blood trail almost every deer I shot. Boy I thought deer were tough and there was noway anyone could have talked me into hunting with smaller cal at that time(243 and smaller), but now after using smaller bores for a while they work better for my hunting style.



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Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: Wild Boar] #271152 12/06/07 05:31 PM
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for my hunting style.




Not everyone hunts the same way you do, and not EVERYONE may have the same skill level as you do. If you will notice, I didn't say anything about the 224 calibers, NOW DID I??????


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I think this is also needs to be looked at from the ethics or sportsmanship angle. Sort of seems like a lack of respect for the animal. Could there be some ego involved here in the sense one might be trying to see how small a bullet can be used? I've seen a couple of does shot at with .222 and .22-250's where the result was the jaw was shattered. I was guiding and not sitting with them and didn't have a say in what could be used. Just a little CYA there so I don't have to read about it. Even though we couldn't find them I'll darn near bet farm they died. I wonder how this thread reads to PETA folks?


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Im not saying dont use the 22-250 it is a deer killin son of a gun, but why push your luck with the 204, it isnt going to give you any added range, or less recoil. I dont really care what you do, just dont do it on my place, and dont bring the [censored] up on here. You asked for this debat so shut up and take it like a man.

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Sp really this all boils down to how good of a shot you are and would say it be left at that. With any laws new or old there's still going to be people who are going to shot animals with whatever they want too!


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Im not saying dont use the 22-250 it is a deer killin son of a gun, but why push your luck with the 204, it isnt going to give you any added range, or less recoil. I dont really care what you do, just dont do it on my place, and dont bring the [censored] up on here. You asked for this debat so shut up and take it like a man.

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I seen a guy shot a deer in the jaw with a 7 mag and we never found it either, so what is your point. I wouldn't sugest head shots from any cal. the room for err. is very small, and a deer without a jaw is going to die a slow death. To me ethic or sportsman angle would be to kill it as soon as posible on the spot death and that is what the smaller cal has done for me.



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Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: Wild Boar] #271159 12/06/07 06:09 PM
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Testy bunch of folks around here today!

Though the first deer I ever shot was with a .22lr (eye shot @25yds.), I don't think anything smaller than a .25 is appropriate for deer - and I sure don't include .25acp in the OK column! That's my *opinion.*

It is also my *opinion* that chocolate is the ultimate culinary delight, and Liv Tyler is the hottest thing since Linda Evans. But I can accept that other folks might not agree (knowing, of course, how wrong they'd be!).

And you know what they say about opinions. :-)

As to whether a smaller caliber is OK for someone who's a crack shot and an expert hunter, I've met very few folks who will admit to being neither. If we're gonna write more laws, shouldn't the shooter's proven proficiency be a factor?


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Okay, then you are saying everyone should be forced to use small calibers because they work for you???????


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No I dont care what everyone else uses if it works for them and is legal that go for it, but you are saying that I shouldn't be able to use a 204.



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Re: 204 Ruger for deer [Re: Wild Boar] #271162 12/06/07 10:04 PM
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All boils down to shot placement, but shooting a deer with a 32 gr vmax in the shoulder should be enough to have your hunting license revoked.


I didn't say anything about in the shoulder I said behind the shoulder. I know that will not penetrate the big bones( I've been shooting small calibers for a while this isn't my first rodeo). As for as revoking license I guess you should have them revoked if you make a bad shot or wound a deer with 270,06,300,ect..... also it would only be fair. I've used several larger cal. on deer 30wsm,30'06, 30-30,7mag,7mm-08,270 and none of these performed like the 22-250 has with the 55 v-maxs. Bigger isn't always better!!!





Say what you will vmax on a rib it will pop and you got problems, but maybe you can see the ribs and make sure you dont hit them. Maybe some day I will be at your skill level. Please continue


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How many deer have you shot with a v-max. As for the skill level I wouldn't bet on it.



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How many deer have you shot with a v-max. As for the skill level I wouldn't bet on it.




None, I have more respect for the deer than that.


I told you we are not worthy of your skill level.


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YES I AM, and if it takes hunters that think trying to use the 204 on white tail is wrong, collectively pressuring TP&W to place restrictions based on caliber size and grain weight of bullet and even 100 yard energy, THEN I AM ALL FOR IT.


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Dude I am with you I was just being a little sarcastic.


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Please notice my last post was directed at Wild Boar, not you.


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